[ih] IETF relevance (was Memories of Flag Day?)

[Brian E Carpenter]

On 31-Aug-23 13:38, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> official DEC fought like hell but research DEC got TCP somehow for
> KL-10s/-20s.
> Don't know whether they used the TENEX version or made their own? VAX was
> probably a different story.

Wollongong was the only game in town for VAX/VMS TCP/IP for many years.
Ultrix of course had native TCP/IP - so Ultrix vs VMS really confused
the market. But then they dveloped the Alpha RISC CPU and Wikipedia
tells the tale:

"Operating systems that support Alpha included OpenVMS (formerly named OpenVMS AXP), Tru64 UNIX (formerly named DEC OSF/1 AXP and Digital UNIX), Windows NT (discontinued after NT 4.0; and prerelease Windows 2000 RC2), Linux (Debian, SUSE,[3] Gentoo and Red Hat), BSD UNIX (NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD up to 6.x), Plan 9 from Bell Labs, and the L4Ka::Pistachio kernel. A port of Ultrix to Alpha was carried out during the initial development of the Alpha architecture, but was never released as a product."

which confused the market so much that the customer base vanished. Sad story.

    Brian


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> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 6:20 PM Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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>> On 8/30/2023 6:14 PM, Vint Cerf via Internet-history wrote:
>>> IBM research did TCP/IP as well as HP and DEC.
>>
>> Hmmm.  DEC came to TCP/IP only in the late 1980s and only in fits and
>> starts, after fighting TCP/IP quite vigorously.  Note, for example, that
>> Wollongong made a lot of money selling an aftermarket stack for VMS.
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>> d/
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