[ih] QUIC story

[Tony Li]

Craig,

Thank you, but I can take no credit for the M40 architecture.

Tony


> On Jun 25, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Craig Partridge via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> Wasn't just router silicon -- it was router design.  What made ATM
> appealing is that it made the inside of the router or switch parallel,
> which was necessary to push into multigabit rates. Folks had to figure out
> how to rework an Internet router to be parallel and it took at least two
> major innovations: fully-standalone forwarding tables  with associating
> forwarding engines and breaking packets apart (essentially into cells),
> squirting those parts through the parallel backplane, and then reassembling
> the packet at the outbound interface for transmission.  Arguably there were
> third and fourth innovations: third innovation was data structures that
> gave good lookup times in the forwarding tables (e.g. the WashU and Lulea
> algorithms), and  fourth innovation was to figure out how to collect the
> SNMP data efficiently (in hardware and software) across fully-distributed
> forwarding engines (routing SNMP data, at speed, through the cards and
> collecting it over the packet bus was painful -- Phil Carvey figured this
> one out and just put a high speed Ethernet in the box exclusively for
> SNMP).  Two teams, one at BBN and one at Juniper, solved the first and
> second problems - independently coming to similar solutions.  Third
> innovation was largely in academia motivated by some talks I gave at the
> time (I was leading the BBN team - Tony Li led the Juniper team).  Last one
> was Phil Carvey (lead hardware guy on the BBN team and then principle at
> Avici).
> 
> Craig
> 
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 3:27 PM Andrew G. Malis via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Brian,
>> 
>> Yeah, back then the joke was that McQuillan was the only one making money
>> from ATM. :-) That did change in a big way (for a while) in the last 90s
>> and early 2000s, before router silicon caught up.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:55 PM Brian E Carpenter via Internet-history <
>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Three points:
>>> 
>>> 1) It was way beyond an "academic experiment" by 1988/89, IMHO. When IBM
>>> funded the first transatlantic T1 in 1990, it was already a production
>>> network for the academic and research community. In fact, that's exactly
>>> why the NSFnet AUP existed, and why IBM threw in substantial funding
>>> for the T1.
>>> 
>>> 2) When was the fuss about registering 3com.com? It wasn't so much the
>>> issue of a domain starting with a digit, but the issue of a domain
>>> being equal to a trademark that was controversial, I think. Anyway,
>>> it was a sign of the times.
>>> 
>>> 3) In the anecdote department, I recall taking a day off from my first
>>> IETF meeting in 1992 (#25, in D.C.) to go across town to attend a one-day
>>> McQuillan conference (on ATM??). The funny thing was that almost all the
>>> speakers wearing suits were people I'd seen the day before at the IETF in
>>> jeans and T-shirts.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>>    Brian Carpenter
>>> 
>>> On 26-Jun-22 03:38, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>> 
>>>> Agreed, that is my recollection as well when I got remotely involved in
>>> the
>>>> mid 80's/early 90's. There was in fact some aversion to having vendors
>>>> participate in meetings, I believe on our side some of that sentiment
>> was
>>>> partially driven by NSF's AUP and that the Internet was mostly an
>>> academic
>>>> experiment.
>>>> 
>>>> -J
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 7:30 AM Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
>>>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have
>> been
>>>>>> deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet,
>>> BBN,
>>>>>> Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
>>>>> inception
>>>>>> and there has been a constant participation from companies and
>> services
>>>>>> providers for very long time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
>>>>> to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship
>> to
>>>>> am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
>>>>> government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
>>>>> IETF meetings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
>>>>> test case that produced this change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
>>>>> We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company
>> selling
>>>>> its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that
>> time, I
>>>>> wanted us attending IETF meetings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much
>> discussion
>>>>> ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
>>>>> along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
>>>>> 
>>>>> This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
>>>>> enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
>>>>> meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other
>> vendors
>>>>> attending.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
>>>>> unapologetic...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> d/
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave Crocker
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>>>>> bbiw.net
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