[ih] Interop historical material?

[Greg Skinner]

I have an anecdote from the Interop held in Monterey, CA during March 1987 where routers were mentioned.  Dave Clark was one of the plenary speakers.  Following the quoted text from the Network World article <https://books.google.com/books?id=cBwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=dave+clark+interop+monterey+1987&source=bl&ots=ylnyunLtjZ&sig=ACfU3U15huaGlvONf8SPqSLiiIMQ0__fjQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimm6CUjr_0AhVXIDQIHfw4ATMQ6AF6BAgZEAM#v=onepage&q=dave%20clark%20interop%20monterey%201987&f=false>, “we’re never going to build networks that work”, I believe he added “routers that do.”  After he finished, Bill Carrico took the stage and said words to the effect that despite problems, it works.  DDC then retook the stage and admitted words to the effect that he had been a bit rough.

—gregbo.

> On Nov 22, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org> wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Interop....
> 
> Has any of the material from the Interops been preserved??? There were 
> administrative pieces, like lists of vendors, floor maps, titles of 
> sessions, speakers' presentations, attendee lists, and such as well as 
> mountains of presentation slides, papers, vendor handouts, and 
> promotional material.
> 
> I still have an "Advanced Computing Environments" tile, from before it 
> was called interop, and one of the "Eyeball" giveaways we handed out 
> when we did the "Maze" game on the live show net.? ?? Also I even have a 
> few audiotapes of sessions I gave, although I no longer have any device 
> that can play them.
> 
> All of this kind of stuff might be historically interesting to someone 
> and useful as a record of what happened when, especially in the 
> "commercial" world rather than the "research" world captured in things 
> like RFCs.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> On 11/22/21 2:37 PM, Dan Lynch via Internet-history wrote:
>> And all of them were at Interop 89 in SanJose.  Now that?s commercial!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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>>> On Nov 22, 2021, at 1:36 PM, vinton cerf via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?interestingly 1989 is the arrival of commercial internet (uunet, psinet,
>>> cerfnet).
>>> 
>>> v
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 4:14 PM Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
>>>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/22/2021 12:50 PM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My immediate reaction was "No, you're not!    That's an IMP."
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome to the distinction between a popular perception versus a
>>>> professional one.  The former lacks nuance, using very coarse metrics.
>>>> The latter ought to be more refined, and sometimes is.
>>>> 
>>>> For the world at large, packet switching is really the defining moment.
>>>> 
>>>> For them, the moment is the invention of computer networking, rather
>>>> than the invention of linking networks together.  (That is, assuming
>>>> that are careful enough to avoid confusing Web with Internet...[*])
>>>> 
>>>> Sometimes, the error is in the later direction.
>>>> 
>>>> Getting even professionals to be careful in talking about email history
>>>> is difficult.  So it is quite common even in highly technical circles
>>>> -- such as a couple of weeks ago for a press release -- for folk to say
>>>> that Ray invented email rather than Ray invented networked email.
>>>> 
>>>> d/
>>>> 
>>>> [*]  maybe 20 years ago, taking a Spanish course in Spain, with a class
>>>> of much (much) younger folk from all over Europe, the instructor
>>>> prompted some discussion in Spanish by asking us about our backgrounds.
>>>> I chose to say that I worked on the UCLA networking project, in 1972,
>>>> explaining it was the first site on the Internet.  One of the very
>>>> bright, very young students objected vigorously, saying that the
>>>> Internet was invented in 1989.[**]  I smiled and tried to explain the
>>>> difference but she persisted.  The instructor didn't care about the
>>>> answer, as long as everyone was talking in Spanish, but this dragged on.
>>>>  The youngster would not relent.  Finally the instructor intervened,
>>>> say "Look, you weren't born yet and he was there!"
>>>> 
>>>> [**] I have heard of a name for it, but there should be one that
>>>> distinguishes errors that require a lot of knowledge to make.  That she
>>>> knew of 1989 in the net's history was impressive.  My first encounter
>>>> with this type of error was while at the University of Delaware, around
>>>> 1980, talking to a hotel reservation agent in Toronto. She asked for my
>>>> address and when I said Newark, Delaware, she queried "that's a suburb
>>>> of Philadelphia, isn't it?"  sigh.
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Crocker
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