[ih] A paper

[farzaneh badii]

Very interesting Patrik, thanks for taking the time to provide feedback.
And thank you for giving us the idea for our next paper :)

On Friday, July 16, 2021, Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A good paper, but I miss your evaluation of the discussion about how to
> implement privacy and differentiated access that went on 1994-2000,
> specifically related to whois.
>
> Technically one could express it in a simplified way like this. You have
> information describing something at one location, and you have whoever want
> to get information about that something at some other location. These two
> locations are on two different locations on the Internet.
>
> To be able to get that information, the information must first be created,
> and then moved from the origin to whoever asks (or queries) for it.
>
> This can be done in two different ways. Either you move the data towards
> the party that queries for the information before it is queried for. Or to
> put it differently, you centralised the storage. Or you let the data stay
> as close to (or even stay at) the location where it is created, and instead
> send the query to the origin of the data when the query is issued.
>
> The main reason for keeping data close to the origin was viewed as a need
> for non-centralisation, and that would also minimise the requirement to
> harmonise the data, and ultimately have the ability for whoever created the
> data that describes that something it described to have multiple
> descriptions and respond differently depending on who is sending the query.
>
> This is a very extreme differentiated or tiered access that later was
> expressed as "just" tiered access in the protocols developed in IETF from
> 2000 and onwards. Still not deployed in large scale for reasons described
> in the paper.
>
> You can for example look at RFC 1913, RFC 1834 and RFC 1835 for one
> example (Whois++) with centroids that did indeed lack many features
> required for the whois service, BUT, it did include a robust query routing
> mechanism for the queries. A routing of the queries that is required for
> the information to stay where it is created, which in turn enables the
> origination to manage differentiated access to the data.
>
> And yes, I personally still think query routing for information is
> something we need to solve many issues related to not only privacy but also
> human rights. Increase the ability for whoever created information to
> decide what is responded to depending on who is asking.
>
> I would like people like you and others that work with these issues start
> evaluating also these issues, how much (and far) is the information moved
> from the origin towards the querying party? This can also be viewed as the
> core of the discussion between search engines and news agencies (see court
> decisions in France for example). When is query routing (i.e. indexing and
> referrals) taking place and when is information moved from the origination?
> What is a citation and what is copying of information? Who is in control,
> and how can control be implemented?
>
>    Patrik
>
> On 16 Jul 2021, at 18:16, farzaneh badii via Internet-history wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Filder and I have published a paper recently about Internet protocols
> and human rights but had a historical look at WHOIS, BGP/EGP and DNS. We
> greatly enjoyed the informative conversation about BGP and EGP on this list
> and helped us a lot with providing a more complete background.
> >
> > Here is the link to the paper:
> > https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/jinfopoli.11.2021.
> 0376?refreqid=excelsior%3A5f6e0042f4bc042a36aa87e2a4d0
> 107c#metadata_info_tab_contents
> >
> > <https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/jinfopoli.11.2021.
> 0376?refreqid=excelsior%3A5f6e0042f4bc042a36aa87e2a4d0
> 107c#metadata_info_tab_contents>
> >
> >
> > Farzaneh
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