[ih] Internet-history Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1

[Toerless Eckert]

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 03:08:10PM -0400, Scott O. Bradner wrote:
> enum is well used inside telephone companies to do number mapping (or so I'm told)
> but the public enum died because of privacy concerns

Probably too simplistic. Should not have been a reason for all those
E164 for companies tht are public knowledge (like their 'www' domain name).

I would guess that the complexity of SIP/ICE/STUN/TURN for p2p connections
played a much more key role. And the business interests of operators for
whom p2p connections would have reduced revenue. And a good part of the
video-conference developer community who never liked E164 in the first place
and wanted to go to email address style names.

Cheers
    Toerless

> Scott
> 
> 
> > On Jul 6, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Vint Cerf via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> > 
> > ENUM was supposed to help with that mapping but...
> > v
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:59 PM Toerless Eckert via Internet-history <
> > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 07:56:56AM -1000, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
> >> via Internet-history wrote:
> >>> and let's not forget that in 1967 there was
> >>> The Science of Microelectronics
> >>> in *The President's Analyst, viz.: *
> >>> "the Cerebrum Communicator or the CC for short"
> >>> (for which there is an awesome demo clip) of at:
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuwF3dRJiS8
> >>> 
> >>> for anyone who has not seen this seminal film, it's a MUST SEE! :D
> >> 
> >> TPC.INT
> >> 
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phone_Company
> >> 
> >> Interesting to see how E164 is still alive and kicking, primarily now
> >> (IMHO) for
> >> SMS authentication and not telephony anymore, but we still do not have good
> >> mapping between E164 and Internet name spaces. I guess its part of the
> >> great
> >> divide (ISOC vs. Governments).
> >> 
> >> Toerless
> >> 
> >>> geoff
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:07 AM Don Hopkins via Internet-history <
> >>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 17:25, Miles Fidelman via Internet-history <
> >>>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On 7/6/20 10:52 AM, John Gilmore via Internet-history wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I answered him that thirty years of the internet has been a
> >> spectacular
> >>>>>>> time of development. Can you imagine the word fighting the COVID-19
> >>>>>>> pandemic without the internet? If there were no internet, there
> >> could
> >>>> be
> >>>>>>> very little working from home, no online classes for students
> >> stuck at
> >>>>>>> home, no video communication with family and friends, much more
> >>>> loneliness,
> >>>>>> In 1992 John Perry Barlow called for "connecting every mind to every
> >>>>>> other mind in full-duplex broadband. ... The creation of ... a
> >>>>>> ubiquitous digital web, [for] ... telephone service, e-mail,
> >> software,
> >>>>>> faxes, ... 'video postcards', and, in time, High Definition
> >> Television
> >>>>>> as well as other media as yet barely imagined."  He called it The
> >> Great
> >>>>>> Work.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Long before that, Licklider wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> "The hope is that, in not too many years, human brains and computing
> >>>> machines will be coupled together very tightly, and that the resulting
> >>>> partnership will think as no human brain has ever thought and process
> >> data
> >>>> in a way not approached by the information-handling machines we know
> >>>> today."  (In "Man-Computer Symbiosis," 1960,
> >>>> https://groups.csail.mit.edu/medg/people/psz/Licklider.html)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> And, of course, he's the one who wrote the famous "MEMORANDUM FOR:
> >>>> Members and Affiliates of the Intergalactic Computer Network," in 1963
> >> (
> >>>> 
> >> https://www.kurzweilai.net/memorandum-for-members-and-affiliates-of-the-intergalactic-computer-network
> >>>> ).
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Miles Fidelman
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Even longer before that, Mary Shelley wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> ???It is true, we shall be monsters, cut off from all the world; but
> >> on that
> >>>> account we shall be more attached to one another.???
> >>>> 
> >>>> And a bit later, Mel Brooks wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> "Are you saying that I put an abnormal brain into a seven and a half
> >> foot
> >>>> long, fifty-four inch wide GORILLA? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME????
> >> -Dr.
> >>>> Frederick Frankenstein
> >>>> 
> >>>> -Don
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