[ih] Who owns old RFCs ?

[Joseph Touch]

Dan (et al.),

Sure - interoperability testing is a kind of group compliance; I understand how it aligns better with the Internet model of “nobody’s in charge”.

But as you note below, testing at that event gained its own imprimatur. Seeing something interoperate elsewhere didn’t have the same perceived value.

So call it what you want and run it how you want, we need this sort of positive “label”, otherwise the lack of a label doesn’t mean anything.

AFAICT, it’s gone now, though. Maybe the ISOC could bring it back somehow, but I doubt it…

Joe

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Dan Lynch via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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> Back in the 80s I created Interop so vendors could demonstrate compliance with the IETF RFC standards. The idea of a testing institute to ensure compliance was floated and found too burdensome by everyone so public demonstrations became the efficient way. Our motto became “I know it works. I saw it at Interop!”  Of course there was months of voluntary testing at my lab in Sunnyvale that preceded the public demonstrations at Interop. Self interest motivated every one. 
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>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:14 PM, John Levine via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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>> In article <CAA=duU0eVz-XFKk2BT66=Fte7rs+LD2oqeypVrHGFjYJ_YZSmA at mail.gmail.com> you write:
>>> Some other SDOs and industry fora create consensus conformance test plans
>>> and then work out a deal with one or more test labs to run the tests for a
>>> fee. The vendors pay for the testing, and if they don't pass, the test labs
>>> work with them so that they can bring the product into compliance. Once
>>> they pass, they get a report and certificate showing compliance, and in
>>> some cases a joint press release with the sponsoring SDO/forum.
>> 
>> I was going to suggest much the same thing, certification as a carrot,
>> since we don't have any sticks.
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