[ih] When did "32" bits for IP register as "not enough"?

[Vint Cerf]

not so richard. By 1983, DOD had officially endorsed OSI.

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On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:02 PM Richard Bennett <richard at bennett.com> wrote:

> ISO/OSI was backed by the Commerce Department, but TCP was the darling of
> the Defense Department.
>
> RB
>
> On Feb 18, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Scott O. Bradner <sob at sobco.com> wrote:
>
> agree - it did not get much - even with Marshall’s book behind it - maybe
> big companies were not comfortable in betting their
> future on small-company code - but that is just a guess
>
> one thing different about what Dennis was trying to do - he would have had
> a government-blessed implementation
> which would allow the governments that were pushing OSI (like the US)
> something to point at to justify their
> regulations
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
>
> Scott    Point taken but what about Marshall Rose’s ISODE:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_Development_Environment
>
> It was available but never got any traction as far as I can tell.
>
> Clem
>
> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not
> quite.
>
> On Feb 18, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Scott O. Bradner <sob at sobco.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis Jennings tells a story relating to this topic - he said that he was
> involved in an effort to get a set of OSI code
> produced & released along the same line as the Berkeley TCP/IP code but at
> the very last minute the vendor that
> was going to provide the code, one that sold OSI code to vendors, backed
> out because they thought it would
> be bad for their business model - the discussion might have been different
> if Dennis had succeeded, instead
> that vendor’s business died along with the OSI protocols
>
> Scott
>
> On Feb 18, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc at dcrocker.net> wrote:
>
> On February 18, 2019 11:42:12 AM PST, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 5:58 PM Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com> wrote:
> They, like many other companies, had been told by many officials
> in the USA and Europe (and a bit later in Asia) that OSI would be
> a government procurement requirement. That triggered a lot of
> investment in product development.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Open_Systems_Interconnection_Profile
>
> Plus large manufacturing firms such as GM and Boeing were drinking the
> coolaid with their MAP/TOP push
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Automation_Protocol which was
> OSI based (plus those folks did not believe in Ethernet - they were sure it
> would not work on a manufacturing floor).
>
> But as I said, economics won out.     The HW they promoted was just too
> expensive and the SW never really matured.   As others pointed out, the
> cost of an OSI implementation was huge.    Even teleco standards like X.25
> ended up not being worth it.  Just not enough people bought them to make it
> so it was worth it.
>
> In the end, MAP/GOSIP et al went away - because why would you guy
> something that cost more and in the end, did less?
> ᐧ
>
> I suggest that what won out was usability in the large and in the small.
> The Internet supplied an actual and large installed base of connected
> users. OSI really never did. And the Iinternet tools were useul and
> reasonably easy to use. The OSI tools were not.
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