[ih] Any suggestions for first uses of "e-mail" or "email"?

Miles Fidelman mfidelman at meetinghouse.net
Sat Aug 8 07:18:36 PDT 2015

Which raises an obvious question:  Did X.75 ever get much traction?  In 
my days at BBN (1985-1992), and for a few years earlier, when I was 
selling time sharing services, and using TELENET, I can't really recall 
ever encountering it in real use.


Vint Cerf wrote:
> Larry Roberts asked me what he should use for protocol in Telenet and 
> I said TCP but he said he could not sell datagrams and went on to 
> develop X.25's virtual circuits with French, Canadian and UK 
> assistance at CCITT (now ITU-T). That was standardized in 1976 while 
> TCP was evolving. I told him we would run TCP (eventually TCP/IP) over 
> X.25 and by 1981 or so that is what we did in CSNET. 1822 was never a 
> contender for a global standard. X.25 begot X.75 which was the CCITT 
> response to the Internet's TCP/IP.
> OSI was yet another effort to craft a non-TCP/IP Internet and that got 
> started in 1978, using X.25 as the underlying virtual circuit basis. 
> Eventually an OSI connectionless mode was developed CLNP but never 
> gained much popularity.
> The TCP/IP vs OSI battle lasted from 1978 to 1993. X.25 was around 
> from 1976 to 2003 or so as I recall. I shut down the last MCI X.25 
> offering about 2003 or so if memory serves.
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Miles Fidelman 
> <mfidelman at meetinghouse.net <mailto:mfidelman at meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
>     > On 08/08/2015 08:12, Jack Haverty wrote:
>     > ...
>     >> But I don't think there's much written
>     >> material about that battle between TCP/IP and X.25 in the
>     ARPANET arena.
>     Jack,
>     Granted that the TCP/IP cutover happened 2 years before I got to
>     BBN, so my exposure wasn't quite firsthand -
>     but weren't the battles really between 1822 and X.25, and then
>     TCP/IP vs. the ISO stack?  After all, 1822 and X.25 were both
>     single subnet protocols, with no support for internetworking (and
>     that IP runs over both of them, just fine).
>     Miles
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