[ih] SAIL vending machine

Elizabeth Feinler feinler at earthlink.net
Sat May 17 10:06:47 PDT 2014 

Yes, there was a vending machine at SAIL that was accessed from a terminal.
It was set up (and I assume programmed) by Les Earnest.  If you recall the AI Center at SAIL in those days was way up on a hill away from the campus.  People hung out there day and night and drove Les nuts asking for change to put into the vending machine, so he let people have "charge accounts" that they paid each month in return for automatic access to the goodies.  You received your monthly bill via email.  This was no ordinary vending machine.  I remember at one point it was stocked daily with pot stickers from Louie's Chinese restaurant.  And yes, you could try "double or nothing" if you felt lucky.  I'm sure Les can fill us in on the technical details.

Regards,

Jake
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> From: "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> Subject: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back (Jack
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> But wasn't the first example of this the Carnegie-Mellon Coke machine in 
> 1982?
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> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/internet-coke-machine
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> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:30:39 -0800
> From: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
> Subject: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back
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> This has just got to be a milestone for Internet historians:
> 
> http://zeenews.india.com/news/net-news/hackers-use-connected-home-appliances-to-launch-global-cyberattack_905067.html
> 
> When I saw this report, the final scene of the recent Hobbit movie flashed
> into my brain -- where the hero (Bilbo) laments "What have we done!!!?"
> 
> Excuse me, I have to go configure my router so that my refrigerator can't
> talk to the outside world.  I'm assuming of course that my router is still
> actually doing what I tell it to do.
> 
> /Jack Haverty
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> From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
> Subject: Re: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back
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>> From: "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
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>> But wasn't the first example of this [CMU] Coke machine in 1982?
> 
> The Coke machine didn't, AFAIK, mount attacks on other ARPANet hosts (which
> was the point of Jack's message).
> 
> 	Noel
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> From: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back
> 	(Jack	Haverty)
> To: Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
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> Exactly right - this is the first (that I've heard about) instance of our
> household appliances being taken over by a malevolent force and used to
> attack others, all via the Internet.   You kind of expect your personal
> computers to be recruited -- after all they sit there saying "Program me!!"
> all day.  But refrigerators, TVs, et al were more loyal, until now.
> Where's an exorcist when you need one?
> 
> Actually, this is seriously a real problem....how do I get anti-virus
> software into my kitchen appliances?
> 
> BTW, there was a Coke machine attached to the ARPANET in the mid 70s, well
> before IP was deployed, or the 1982 CMU machine.   IIRC it had a specific
> IMP/port address (on MIT-AI I believe) to which you could Telnet and get
> back the current temperature of the contents of the machine.  No one likes
> warm soda....or a long fruitless walk to a too recently stocked machine.
> 
> /Jack
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>wrote:
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>>> From: "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> 
>>> But wasn't the first example of this [CMU] Coke machine in 1982?
>> 
>> The Coke machine didn't, AFAIK, mount attacks on other ARPANet hosts (which
>> was the point of Jack's message).
>> 
>>        Noel
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> true, but there are some origins there
> 
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> Haverty)
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>> From: "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> 
>> But wasn't the first example of this [CMU] Coke machine in 1982?
> 
> The Coke machine didn't, AFAIK, mount attacks on other ARPANet hosts (which
> was the point of Jack's message).
> 
> Noel 
> 
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> From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
> Subject: Re: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back
> 	(Jack	Haverty)
> To: internet-history at postel.org
> Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
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>> From: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
> 
>> there was a Coke machine attached to the ARPANET in the mid 70s, well
>> before IP was deployed, or the 1982 CMU machine. IIRC it had a specific
>> IMP/port address (on MIT-AI I believe) to which you could Telnet and
>> get back the current temperature of the contents of the machine.
> 
> I think that was actually SAIL, wasn't it? And it wouldn't have been
> connected directly to the IMP (that would have required an IMP interface,
> and a mini to run it); it was a peripheral on the PDP-10. (There may have been
> an NCP server that returned the status of the Coke machine, though.)
> 
> Just like the elevator call hack at MIT... Oh, better not talk about that! :-)
> 
> 	Noel
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> From: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back
> 	(Jack	Haverty)
> To: Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
> Cc: internet history <internet-history at postel.org>
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> Stanford had a vending machine called the Prancing Pony that you would
> order from...
> 
> v
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>wrote:
> 
>>> From: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
>> 
>>> there was a Coke machine attached to the ARPANET in the mid 70s, well
>>> before IP was deployed, or the 1982 CMU machine. IIRC it had a
>> specific
>>> IMP/port address (on MIT-AI I believe) to which you could Telnet and
>>> get back the current temperature of the contents of the machine.
>> 
>> I think that was actually SAIL, wasn't it? And it wouldn't have been
>> connected directly to the IMP (that would have required an IMP interface,
>> and a mini to run it); it was a peripheral on the PDP-10. (There may have
>> been
>> an NCP server that returned the status of the Coke machine, though.)
>> 
>> Just like the elevator call hack at MIT... Oh, better not talk about that!
>> :-)
>> 
>>        Noel
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>> Stanford had a vending machine called the Prancing Pony that you would
>> order from...
> 
> and it would bet you doible or nothing
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> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:10:31 -0800
> From: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Internet milestone - The Refrigerator Strikes Back
> 	(Jack	Haverty)
> To: Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
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> Correct.  It was hooked somehow to a PDP-10.  No one wrote an NCP for the
> coke machine.  Although it *did* have quite a few FIFO buffers - might have
> made a decent gateway...
> 
> I think lots of places had some kind of vending machine attached to their
> ARPANET host and somehow accessible via the net.  Not sure who did it
> first.
> 
> /Jack
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>wrote:
> 
>>> From: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
>> 
>>> there was a Coke machine attached to the ARPANET in the mid 70s, well
>>> before IP was deployed, or the 1982 CMU machine. IIRC it had a
>> specific
>>> IMP/port address (on MIT-AI I believe) to which you could Telnet and
>>> get back the current temperature of the contents of the machine.
>> 
>> I think that was actually SAIL, wasn't it? And it wouldn't have been
>> connected directly to the IMP (that would have required an IMP interface,
>> and a mini to run it); it was a peripheral on the PDP-10. (There may have
>> been
>> an NCP server that returned the status of the Coke machine, though.)
>> 
>> Just like the elevator call hack at MIT... Oh, better not talk about that!
>> :-)
>> 
>>        Noel
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