[ih] History of Flaming

[Laboha]

Hallo and thanks a lot for your helpful information.

I think there must have been some flaming in the mgsgroup - can anyone
remember this? I have found some kind of flaming in the header group.

>What is more interesting about this note is how looking back changes your
perspective vs having been there.
John: This is an interesting point. Those of you who followed early
versions of flaming - would you remember them for being more reserved from
today's point of view?

Randy: Which ones would you call the best classic flames?

Dave: Can I quote you, from what you wrote? I think you nicely summarized
the beginning of electronic flaming with the reply button!

Larry: Yes, the name Mark Ethan Smith already appeared in my inquiries,
also the fact, that there has been flaming in BBS, though I'm still looking
for good examples.

Best regards
Boris


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2013/5/17 Dave Crocker <dhc2 at dcrocker.net>

> On 5/16/2013 4:14 AM, Ioannis Korovesis wrote:
>
>> On 05/16/2013 01:46 PM, Laboha wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm new to this mailing list. I'm a German technology journalist
>>> and blogger. I'm very much interested in the history of internet, that
>>> is why I joined this list. I'm currently working on an article about
>>> the history of flaming or flame wars. I have found several, but mostly
>>> after 1985. I had difficulties to find examples of flaming earlier -
>>> any tipps on that? Boris
>>>
>> This phenomenon arose in earlier networks such as BITNET, USENET, also
>> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Flaming_%28Internet%29<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_%28Internet%29>
>> yannis
>>
>
>
> Email in the form we now know it, started in the early 1970s.  Flaming
> appeared immediately.
>
> Certainly as soon as the Reply command appeared -- called Answer in its
> first incarnation, with John Vittal's MSG program, flaming became a regular
> occurrence.  Easy replying facilitated overly-quick and underly-considered
> responses.
>
> The fact that the target of the flaming is not immediately present means
> that we are really responding to our internal model of what they said and
> meant, and internal psychological models differ from reality wildly.
>  Clarification interactions are expensive for email; so we tend just to
> react.
>
> The earliest mailing lists, also from the mid-70s, saw flaming in force.
>  Group dynamics in an email context seem particularly fertile for growing
> flames.
>
> I used to summarize that it took each of us about 6 months to get a
> reasonable degree of control over the flaming impulse; not perfect, as
> continues to be clear to this day, but at least /some/ control. However, we
> did eventually get one participant who demonstrated zero learning and we
> came very close to talking to their employer.  Then we got a second person
> afflicted even worse...
>
> As for IM, in the early 1970s, with my brother and me on separate coasts
> we would regularly interact using the BBN Tenex Talk mechanism, which was
> identical to the style of today's IMs, except that it showed a
> character-at-a-time as it was typed.
>
> One day my brother typed something that could be taken in multiple ways
> and I decided to have some fun, pretending to take it as upsetting, though
> I knew that wasn't what he meant.  With a huge grin on my face I typed back
> some sort of outraged response.  He was of course immediately and
> profoundly apologetic.
>
> It took me a moment to realize that he couldn't see the grin, so then we
> started 'chatting' about exchanging affect information when typing.
>
> We developed a few symbols for smiling -U- and frowning -M- and smirking
> -W-.
>
> And in an engineering environment, that's probably all the range of affect
> that one should need...
>
>
> d/
>
>
> --
> Dave Crocker
> Brandenburg InternetWorking
> bbiw.net
>
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