[ih] [IP] EFF calls for signatures from Internet Engineers against censorship

[Nigel Roberts]

You may count on my participation should you require it.


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Nigel Roberts, Esq.

On 12/21/2011 01:37 AM, Vint Cerf wrote:
> I spent 2 hours with ICE reviewing their domain seizure practices and
> have committed to engage the technical community to look for
> alternative mechanisms to fight piracy in lieu of domain name seizure
> or the mechanisms of the ill-conceived SOPA/PIPA. I may be calling on
> some of you to engage.
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> vint
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> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:19 PM, John Curran<jcurran at istaff.org>  wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
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>>> On 12/20/2011 6:02 AM, John Curran wrote:
>>>> I was noting that SOPA is the type of outcome that occurs when we
>>>> fail to proactively engage governments.
>>>
>>> John, the implication of your original note and this latest round is that opposition constitutes a failure to engage.  The signed opposition note is a petition.  You might recall a reference to petitioning in the Consitution.
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>>> The point that you seem to be missing is that the current bill is being pursued willfully and is ignoring expert guidance that contradicts the substance of the bill.
>>>
>>> That's just bad technical policy.
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>> Dave -
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>>   Our failure to engage _years ago_ proactively with governments
>>   regarding their needs has led to this outcome.
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>>   Do you feel the petition is constructive engagement regarding
>>   governments perceived needs in this area?  I am unable to find
>>   any suggestion therein of an alternative approach to solving the
>>   problem of "foreign infringing sites", nor even a suggestion of
>>   meeting to seek an understanding of their views on the problem.
>>
>>   Absence of these elements leads me to believe that the petition,
>>   while quite clear in its message, doesn't represent constructive
>>   engagement as much as "drawing battle lines".  It may or may not
>>   be an effective mechanism, but my point is one of Internet history
>>   in that we've never proactively sought out governments' requirements
>>   for the Internet during its development into a global communication
>>   medium, and therefore we should not be surprised at government attempts
>>   to now more directly control communications in order to accomplish
>>   their perceived responsibilities.
>>
>> /John
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