[ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 46, Issue 10
Johnny RYAN
johnnyryan1 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 25 03:51:19 PDT 2010
Noel,
Good point. I have put the contents page up on my blog.
http://johnnyryan.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/contents-of-a-history-of-the-internet-and-the-digital-future/
Johnny
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A History of the Internet and the Digital Future (my next book)
http://www.theHistoryoftheInternet.net/
London: Reaktion, 20 September 2010
Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 20 November 2010
Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnnyryan1
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM, <internet-history-request at postel.org>wrote:
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> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:05:44 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
> Subject: Re: [ih] New history of the Internet
> To: internet-history at postel.org
> Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
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> > From: Amelia A Lewis <amyzing at talsever.com>
>
> > And will it be available in any electronic format?
>
> While I can understand reluctance to make the complete text available in
> machine readable form, lest it reduce sales, one thing it would be good to
> have distributed openly in machine-readable form is a complete Table of
> Contents - hopefully a detailed one, which gives a comprehensive look at
> what
> is covered.
>
> Noel
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:37:46 -0400
> From: Dave Walden <dave.walden.family at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] New history of the Internet
> To: internet-history at postel.org
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> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is interesting is that Amazon has it for pre-order but also there
> > are three listed used for ~$65 ??
>
>
> My last several years experience experience with publishing tells me that
> the on-line bookstores may not actually have the book even when they say
> "in
> stock". When they get an order, the do an electronic order to wherever the
> book actually is (which might mean the printing plant), and the
> actual-book-is-place drop ships the book as if it was from the on-line book
> store. Furthermore, in my experience, the publisher offers the book to the
> bookstores with a list price and a wholesale discount from list price,
> often
> 50 or 55 percent off list. Thus, the bookstore can sell the book for any
> price it wants above the wholesale price and still not lose money. All
> this leads different on-line bookstores to set different discount prices
> from list and claim different reasons for it including "used" when the book
> is actually not used and may not have been published yet. These prices
> (and
> probably the claimed book state) are surely done by computer algorithm in
> some cases (e.g., Amazon) and might change daily. Of course, I don't know
> anything about what is happening in the case of this particular Internet
> history book. -Dave
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> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:45:58 -0400
> From: Amelia A Lewis <amyzing at talsever.com>
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> Hmmmm.
>
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:05:44 -0400 (EDT), Noel Chiappa wrote:
> > > From: Amelia A Lewis <amyzing at talsever.com>
> >
> > > And will it be available in any electronic format?
> >
> > While I can understand reluctance to make the complete text available in
> > machine readable form, lest it reduce sales, one thing it would be good
> to
>
> *sigh* I'm afraid that I don't understand that. I'd like to *buy* it
> in electronic format (pdf and epub, by preference). I don't want to
> buy it in paper, because I haven't got the space, and I'm much less
> able to carry around pounds of paper than megabytes of text.
>
> I'm trying not to send this list off-topic though; discussions of the
> business of publishing are prolly out of scope.
>
> Amy!
> --
> Amelia A. Lewis amyzing {at} talsever.com
> Belief is the wound that knowledge heals,
> and death begins the Telling of our life.
> -- Teran Penan [Ursula K. Le Guin, "The Telling"]
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> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:54:37 -0700
> From: Richard Bennett <richard at bennett.com>
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> To: internet-history at postel.org
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> It's worth noting that the last two Internet history books published -
> this one and the Van Schewick that MIT Press recently released - are
> both only available in paper format. It makes you wonder about the
> publishers. John Day's Patterns in Network Architecture from Prentice
> Hall was available in electronic format from day 1, so to speak.
>
> It's sad when the only way you can an eBook is to pirate it.
>
> RB
>
> On 9/24/2010 12:45 PM, Amelia A Lewis wrote:
> > Hmmmm.
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:05:44 -0400 (EDT), Noel Chiappa wrote:
> >> > From: Amelia A Lewis<amyzing at talsever.com>
> >>
> >> > And will it be available in any electronic format?
> >>
> >> While I can understand reluctance to make the complete text available in
> >> machine readable form, lest it reduce sales, one thing it would be good
> to
> > *sigh* I'm afraid that I don't understand that. I'd like to *buy* it
> > in electronic format (pdf and epub, by preference). I don't want to
> > buy it in paper, because I haven't got the space, and I'm much less
> > able to carry around pounds of paper than megabytes of text.
> >
> > I'm trying not to send this list off-topic though; discussions of the
> > business of publishing are prolly out of scope.
> >
> > Amy!
>
> --
> Richard Bennett
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:14:27 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
> Subject: Re: [ih] New history of the Internet
> To: internet-history at postel.org
> Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
> Message-ID: <20100924201427.436696BE55E at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
>
> > From: Amelia A Lewis <amyzing at talsever.com>
>
> >> While I can understand reluctance to make the complete text available
> >> in machine readable form, lest it reduce sales
>
> > I'm afraid that I don't understand that. I'd like to *buy* it in
> > electronic format
>
> Understood that you wanted to buy it in that form, but my remark was about
> how once something is available outside a small circle in machine-readable
> form, it's much easier to make 'bootleg' copies available, which will
> inevitably impact sales.
>
> Yes, yes, I know there's a big whole debate about how content industries
> will
> have to adapt to a world in which copying things is easier, but having been
> on both sides of that, I can see a decision to only make something
> available
> in a form where it cannot easily be copied by third parties.
>
> Noel
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:17:21 +0100
> From: " johnnyryan1 at gmail.com " <johnnyryan1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] New history of the Internet
> To: " internet-history at postel.org " <internet-history at postel.org>
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> Amy,
>
> You will not believe this, but the publisher has not yet decided on their
> overall e distribution strategy.
>
> The book is hardcopy only until they move on one e format or the other.
> Ironic for a book about the Internet.
>
> Thanks Jorge - I did not know that
>
> Johnny
>
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> Amy,
> The publisher - you will not believe - has not yet decided on their e
> distribution strategy. So this is paper only until Reaktion moves on one e
> format or the other. Ironic for a book about the Internet.
>
> Jorge - no idea about those copies.
>
> Johnny
>
> Sent from my HTC
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> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:16:56 +0100
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> Dear All,
> I tried to post this last week but the list bounced my mail.
> This is a message of thanks to the members of this list, and to
> announce that my book 'A History of the Internet and the Digital
> Future' will shortly be out.
> It is to be released in the US (via University of Chicago Press) on 15
> November, and in the UK (from Reaktion Books) on 20 October.
> It's available for pre-order now at
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1861897774/
> Your answers to my questions, and my reading of your exchanges here,
> were invaluable.
> Again, thank you. I plan to remain on this list and continue to learn
> from you all.
> Johnny
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> A History of the Internet and the Digital Future (my next book)
> http://www.theHistoryoftheInternet.net/
> London: Reaktion, 20 September 2010
> Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 20 November 2010
>
> Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnnyryan1
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:50:19 -0400
> From: Amelia A Lewis <amyzing at talsever.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] New history of the Internet
> To: internet-history at postel.org
> Message-ID: <20100924115019165189.2c5ca41f at talsever.com>
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> And will it be available in any electronic format?
>
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:16:56 +0100, Johnny RYAN wrote:
> > This is a message of thanks to the members of this list, and to
> > announce that my book 'A History of the Internet and the Digital
> > Future' will shortly be out.
>
> Amy!
> --
> Amelia A. Lewis amyzing {at} talsever.com
> The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
> regarded as a criminal offence.
> -- Edsger Dijkstra
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:09:54 -0500
> From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] New history of the Internet
> To: johnnyryan1 at gmail.com
> Cc: internet-history at postel.org
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> Congrats !!! & looking forward to take a look at it.
>
> What is interesting is that Amazon has it for pre-order but also there
> are three listed used for ~$65 ??
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1861897774/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
>
> Cheers
> Jorge
>
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