[ih] Naming and addressing
Elizabeth Feinler
feinler at earthlink.net
Wed Mar 31 08:16:22 PDT 2010
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> 1. Re: Naming and addressing 1971-1989 (Craig Partridge)
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> Craig,
Thanks for the added info. I have added a few comments to your comments below:
Jake
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> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:39:43 -0400
> From: Craig Partridge <craig at aland.bbn.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Naming and addressing 1971-1989
> To: Elizabeth Feinler <feinler at earthlink.net>
> Cc: internet-history at postel.org
> Message-ID: <20100331123943.6219328E137 at aland.bbn.com>
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> Hi Jake:
>
> A valuable memoir and thanks for writing it!
>
> Two minor points where I remember differently:
>
> * As I recall, Mike Karels never worked on BIND. Someone did a very
> rough implementation for the BSD team and then left and Kevin Dunlap
> inherited the code. Kevin probably still has scars from the experience.
Here are two emails from the Namedroppers w.g. that indicate that Mike did work on BIND. I am uncertain about who all was involved which is why I punted that to Mike K. or whoever is around to verify what happened. I do know from Namedroppers that Paul Mockapetris, Jon and Mike worked together to test the system using Jeeves and BIND.
I also remember Kevin Dunlap's name as well.
Date: 3 Jun 1986 16:57-PDT
Sender: WESTINE at USC-ISIB.ARPA
Subject: What name servers are there out there?
From: Ann Westine <WESTINE at USC-ISIB.ARPA>
To: solomon at GJETOST.WISC.EDU
Cc: namedroppers at SRI-NIC.ARPA
Cc: Westine at USC-ISIB.ARPA
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Marvin,
Paul Mockapetris developed a nameserver program for TOPS20 (DEC20).
Copies run on ISIC, SRI-NIC, and MIT-XX. Paul's net address is
Mockapetris at USC-ISIB.ARPA.
The folks at Berkeley developed the BIND nameserver program that
runs on UNIX. Most Berkeley and BRL machines use BIND. The contact
person is Mike Karels, Karels at BERKELEY.EDU.
Ann
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Subject: Domain system implementations (summary)
Cc: lazear
Thanks to all who responded with Domain system implementation info.
The summary has been normalized and appears below.
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Several implementations of the domain system exist. The first two
paragraphs (BIND and JEEVES) discuss the prominent (and most mature) two
implementations and their authors/maintainers. These implementations
are available online. The last paragraphs list implementations under
development. Points of contact can supply more information.
The intent of listing these implementations is to give vendors the
opportunity to inspect working code. These implementations embody ex-
perience with the domain system and offer interpretations of the proto-
cols found acceptable in operational environments.
4BSD Unix Resolver and Server (BIND)
The vast majority of hosts running lower level domain servers on
the Arpanet are hosted on 4BSD systems and run the code called BIND.
This code is maintained for periodic releases by Mike Karels (UCB). His
mail addresses are:
ARPANET: karels at okeeffe.berkeley.edu
US MAIL: Computer Systems Research Group
Computer Science Division
Department of EE & CS
University of California
Berkeley, CA 94720
Development of BIND is coordinated by Doug Kingston (BRL), who
offers pre-release versions to test sites. His mail addresses are:
ARPANET: dpk at brl.arpa
US MAIL: Advanced Computer Systems Team
Systems Engineering and Concepts Analysis Division
U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory
Attn: SLCBR-SECAD (Kingston)
APG, MD 21005-5066
A commercial version of BIND has been shipped with Sun Microsystems'
operating system version 3.2. Celeste Stokely is the point of contact.
Her mail addresses are:
ARPANET: celeste at sun.com
US MAIL: Sun Microsystems Software Support
2550 Garcia Avenue
Mountain View, CA 94043
>
> * .NET was adopted at a meeting 27-28 January 1986 at SRI (I know the
> exact dates only because the Challenger blew up the 2nd day and Ole
> Jacobson arranged a video feed into an adjacent conference room so we
> could watch the news during breaks in the meeting).
>
> One thing your note clarified is that there were two vigorous meetings
> about the DNS naming system -- the one you discuss that was held in
> DC in 1985 and the one at SRI in January 1986 -- many people have run
> the two meetings together. (Simple summary -- 1986 was mostly about
> email/network provider issues -- could we use one namespace across UUCP,
> BITNET, CSNET, Internet; when would BIND be stable enough, etc.; 1985
> was about the core naming issues; naming issues came up in 1986 only
> regarding creating .NET and how to use .US and were related to issues
> of perceived provider requirements)
Thanks for sorting this out. I did talk to Mary Stahl and her recollection was that .net was a result of a discussion in Namedroppers. Mary has turned her interest to being a well-known Bay area plein air artist, so has largely blotted out her Host Master (Mistress) days.
>
> Also a quick question folks have been asking me -- when did we have country
> code TLDs and when did we decide to use the ISO list? I think we had ccTLDs
> by late 1985 as .UK was active and Jon P. had assigned .US to himself (at
> least, that's what I remember). But I think choosing a list of ccTLDs blessed
> by ISO was done a bit later. Yes?
I will punt this one to Paul M. or Joyce Reynolds. ISO decreed that international standards had jurisdiction down to the country-level TLD, and from there the naming scheme was up to the country itself. It was at that time that Jon applied for the .us domain, as I remember it. This was a parallel effort with us at the time, and I do not recall the exact time frame.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Craig
>
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>> Dear All,
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>> I've been getting requests for this information, so I've written and =
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>> Regards,
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>> Jake Feinler
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