[ih] DNS History

[John Day]

Only for those who weren't there.

Politics were the means to protect the Money in all layers and still 
is in all standards efforts.

At 20:40 -0800 2010/03/08, Kevin Dunlap wrote:
>You forgot layer 9 = Political
><http://www.isc.org/store/logoware-clothing/isc-9-layer-osi-model-cotton-t-shirt>http://www.isc.org/store/logoware-clothing/isc-9-layer-osi-model-cotton-t-shirt
>
>On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>
>>Revised OSI Model: Layer 0 = Authentication; Layer 8 = Money.
>>
>>On 3/8/2010 7:18 PM, John Day wrote:
>>
>>>Yes but much this pays no attention to issues of security, access 
>>>control or scope.
>>>
>>>
>>>At 17:51 -0800 2010/03/08, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>>
>>>>And now there's this Semantic Web thing and the Bob Kahn Digital 
>>>>Object Identifier systems that aim to expose structure in web 
>>>>sites so that the content can be more easily indexed, searched, 
>>>>and grabbed. In the end, it's all about granularity and 
>>>>aggregating local indexes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 3/8/2010 5:26 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Could you say the same thing about X.500?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope -- early attempt to do the web.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wasn't all that Archie and Veronica stuff an attempt to provide the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Internet with a directory service?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This exchange is confusing things a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Web publishes documents and has evolved into something that 
>>>>>is probably best viewed as allowing interaction with documents. 
>>>>> (That might be a Procrustean view, given the lofty views of web 
>>>>>2.0, etc., but I'm trying to stay with basics.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Google, et all, scan the web and index it.  A search engine is 
>>>>>not 'the web', although it is a tool of the web.  The web is 
>>>>>either the documents or the full set of things that touch the 
>>>>>documents.  But a search engine is not 'the' web.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anonymous FTP published documents.  Lousy usability 
>>>>>characteristics. Gopher published documents. Reasonable 
>>>>>usability, but limited document style. They were the early 
>>>>>sequence that led to the actual Web.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Archie indexed ftp.  Veronica indexed gopher. Early search 
>>>>>engines. These are services that are layered on top of the 
>>>>>publication service and the publication service is passive, in 
>>>>>that there was no organized registration of the documents, 
>>>>>particularly, with respect to the indexing (more recent active 
>>>>>web page support of search engines not withstanding.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>X.500 was a user name registration scheme, originally designed 
>>>>>to lookup users, especially for email. It started with the 
>>>>>premise that, done in scale, a human name is not unique so that 
>>>>>other attributes would be needed to distinguish the target user. 
>>>>> Since if flowed from X.400, the concept of a simple, global, 
>>>>>unique email address was already a lost cause.  (Your global 
>>>>>address was relative to your provider, which led to some 
>>>>>interesting business cards, for folks who had multiple 
>>>>>providers.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In its earliest discussions, the function description was 
>>>>>strikingly similar to what we built for MCI Mail, so that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   crocker, brandenburg, california
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>might produce my address.  (My first participation in the X.500 
>>>>>discussions was shortly after we had MCI Mail running, so I was 
>>>>>able to confirm the utility of this basic model, though not the 
>>>>>later technical design for achieving it in scale.  MCI Mail was 
>>>>>a closed system.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But note that the data base that X.500 used was for actively 
>>>>>registered email users, not passively available (rather than 
>>>>>listed) documents.  This was meant to be more like a White Pages 
>>>>>than a more general searching service, even as constrained as a 
>>>>>Yellow Pages.  (But yes, goals expanded.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Besides having a search function, X.500 differed from the goals 
>>>>>of the DNS by being finer-grained, targeting personal addresses, 
>>>>>rather than host addresses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The differences between document publishing, personnel 
>>>>>registration, name lookup and name (or, more generally, 
>>>>>attribute) searching each warrant distinction from the other.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>d/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Richard Bennett
>>>>
>>>>Research Fellow
>>>>
>>>>Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
>>>>
>>>>Washington, DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Richard Bennett
>>Research Fellow
>>Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
>>Washington, DC
>>
>
>Kevin Dunlap
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