[ih] That Host-Host Protocol Document No. 1

[Vint Cerf]

this is a nice piece of historical research, rescue and recovery!

v

On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Matthias Bärwolff wrote:

> This is to wrap up the thread for the public record with the results  
> of
> an extensive off-list discussion with various people, resulting in the
> nice people from the Computer History Museum
> (http://www.*computerhistory*.org) digging out the Host-Host Protocol
> Document No. 1 (NIC 5143
> <http://www.b%C3%A4rwolff.de/public/Crocker-1970-Host-Host-Protocol-Document-No-1-NIC5143.pdf 
> >)
> from their garages and sending me a scan. For the time being I have  
> put
> it up at
> <http://www.baerwolff.de/public/Crocker-1970-Host-Host-Protocol-Document-No-1-NIC5143.pdf 
> >.
>
> It turned out that Crocker's "Host-Host Protocol Document #1" (dated
> August 3, 1970; also referred to as NIC 5143) was an effort along the
> lines laid in RFC 53 (dated June 9, 1970) which tried to establish a
> protocol series that would have a slightly more formal feel to it than
> the then still very young RFC series. (In fact, NIC published Protocol
> Handbooks from 1970 to 1990, all of which are available at the  
> Computer
> Museum.) It was, so to speak, the first "official" version of the
> protocol that the NCPs at the host sites were to implement. Of course,
> the protocol specification changed quite a lot over time, and many  
> early
> RFCs commented on "document #1". By early 1971 at the latest, with RFC
> 107, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc107.txt> "document #1" was
> officially obsolete. A July 1971 version of the host-host protocol
> ("Host-Host Protocol for the ARPA Network", NIC 7141) can be found at
> <http://ia300210.us.archive.org/1/items/HostHostProtocolForTheArpaNetwork/ 
> >.
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
> Vint Cerf wrote:
>> RFC 1 was written to establish the series. We thrashed around with a
>> number of ideas in the late 1969 and early 1970 period. NIL, DEL, and
>> eventually the H-H protocol. Steve Crocker led that effort and is
>> surely the expert on events of the day.
>>
>> v
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Matthias Bärwolff wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the hint. But actually I was under strong impression  
>>> that RFC
>>> 1 was just that: a request for comments with more questions and  
>>> problem
>>> statements than bold proposals; and the first go at really  
>>> specifying a
>>> generic host-host protocol happened some time in 1970 rather than  
>>> early
>>> 1969 (when the BBN 1822 report was not even out yet). I took it  
>>> that the
>>> references and discussion in RFC 65 are about this document (which  
>>> is
>>> therein referred to as Host-Host Protocol Document No. 1; and this  
>>> term
>>> is referred to in various other accounts at the time, too, so I  
>>> was just
>>> curious as to what exactly that document was; I frankly doubt it's  
>>> RFC
>>> 1). (I may go and ask Dave Walden or Steve Crocker directly on  
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> Randy Bush wrote:
>>>>    http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1.txt
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Matthias Bärwolff
>>> www.bärwolff.de
>>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Matthias Bärwolff
> www.bärwolff.de
>