[ih] ARPA initial IMP-IMP line speed

[Toru Nohzawa ,]

Dave,

For IMP-IMP communication, theoretically you are suggesting that at 1969,
they could used
Frequency Divisional Modulation modem of  48KHz, 6.3Mhz or 44Mhz provided by
AT&T.
Neglecting the physical cross-continental line configuration  within AT&T,
logically,  ARPA could reserve over 12 cross-continental voice-band leased
lines
as a single 50Kbps leased line.

Do you know the way we can confirm your suggetion ?
Or, do you know somebody who knows the actual IMP spec. ?

Toru


-----Original Message-----
From: David L. Mills [mailto:mills at udel.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:29 PM
To: Toru Nohzawa ,
Cc: Dave Crocker; internet-history at postel.org
Subject: Re: [ih] ARPA initial IMP-IMP line speed

Dave & Co.,

Little bit of history here. In 1969 AT&T (Western Electric) was the only
source for analog and digital lines and most high-speed modems used a
48-kHz analog group circuit normally used to multiplex 12 4-kHz voice
channels. There were several modems used by AT&T at 40, 48 and 56 kbps.
In theory, AT&T could provide a supergroup at 6.3 MHz or jumbogroup at
44 MHz with digitronics to match and I bet they did on special order.

Before 1968 the higest speed you could get on an ordinary telephone line
was 300 bps full-duplex (Bell 103 FSK), 1200 bps half-duplex (Bell 202
FSK) and 2000 bps half-duplex (Bell 201 DQPSK). The last could go at a
blinding 2400 bps full-duplex on a 3002 leased circuit. You couldn't get
anything higher on an ordinary phone or leased line until the middle
eighties. Starting in 1986, I had a full-duplext 3002 at 9600 bps
between my home and campus, so that may calibrate the curve.

Until 1968 you couldn't put anything on an ordinary phone line except
AT&T devices. But, the FCC told AT&T to provide a coupling device called
a Data Access Arrangement (DAA) so the customer could use non-AT&T
modems. I had the first one installed in Michigan. They wanted to get it
right, so they sent a fleet of trucks to install it. But, there were
lots of special order things AT&T could provide, like analog program
radio and TV lines and on these you didn't have to use AT&T modems.
That's how I tested early spread-spectrum digital telephone gadgets as a
grad student.

Dave

"Toru Nohzawa ," wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Thank your for the information.
>
> Do you know what modem they did use ?
> 50Kbps or 56Kbps whichever at that time, seems 10 or more times
> faster than Chronologically told modem technology.
> Who could provide it with what modulation method ?
>
> Toru,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dhc at dcrocker.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: Toru Nohzawa ,
> Cc: internet-history at postel.org
> Subject: Re: [ih] ARPA initial IMP-IMP line speed
>
> Toru,
>
> For simplification, all initial Arpanet links were 56Kbps.
>
> This avoided having to deal with differential performace stemming from
> different line speeds.
>
> d/
>
> TN> Hello, all,
> TN> I have a following question about the subject.
> TN> If you know the fact, please let me know it
>
> TN> Question:
> TN> There are lots of documents mentioning the initial line speed of
ARPAnet
> in
> TN> 1969 was 50Kbps.
> TN> As far as I know, the line speed at that time over the voice band
> TN> transmission was
> TN> less than 9,600bps. Most probably 4,800bps or 2,400bps.
> TN> In addition, no modems for 50Kbps become available.
> TN> Some document says 50Kbps over analog wideband. But this causes other
> TN> question of what modem was used and who provided that.
>
> TN> How many line speed is used with what modem at initial ARPA IMP-IMP?
>
> TN> Regards,
>
> TN> Toru Nohzawa
> TN> nohzawa at w-tri.com
>
> d/
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