[Chapter-delegates] Clarification from inSIG Consortium
Pedro de Perdigão Lana
pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com
Sat Oct 5 13:59:41 PDT 2024
Hi everyone,
Complementing and fully agreeing with Christopher, it also seems, IMHO, not
recommended to suggest actions points related to other chapters
functioning. Although we have an ISOC community, chapters are autonomous
and separate entities, and commenting too deeply on this, even with the
best of intentions, seems like telling how to solve issues of an
organization that we are not part of (which is always risky because, as we
watched here, it is really hard to have all the relevant info as an
outsider).
Cordially,
*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.nic.br/>, Pesquisador (GEDAI/UFPR
<https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
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Em sáb., 5 de out. de 2024 às 10:38, Raymond Mamattah via Chapter-delegates
<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
> Hello Sheikh,
>
> Having gotten the feedback from Madam Amrita and as I also have experience
> in organising similar events, I think some of your requests and thinking
> because you are the Vice President of your chapter you deserve anything you
> want is out of place. Personally, I think you were really demanding too
> much from the inSIG organisers. Please see my comments below:
>
> 1. As InSIG is an independent event, but the main organizer was the
> Bengaluru chapter this time, since you mentioned that inSIG has its own
> rules, can you please share a link as a reference so that we can read these
> inSIG rules.
> You joined as VP just few months ago, and as madam Amrita mentioned the
> planning takes 7-8 months. So I am sure a lot has already being done
> before you took office just few months ago. Being the main chapter
> organising the event, please share with us the *rules that say the
> President and Vice must be there in the event!*
>
>
>
> 2. I can understand that inSIG is a closed event, that is the reason I
> also already applied through a proper procedure, may I know on what basis
> my application got rejected or at least what is the criteria or procedure
> you follow to select attendees.
>
> As I mentioned I organize similar events and when people don’t get
> selected they get disappointed. The fact is not everyone can be selected as
> there are limited spots. Kindly just note that being a VP doesn’t mean
> anything you THINK you are entitled to is rightfully so. By the way, from
> the way you sound, did you take up the role of the VP because you thought
> all these opportunities you are claiming for and are not coming were at the
> beckon call of a selected VP?
>
>
>
> 3. I have been an active member that is one of the reasons for me being
> elected as a VP; moreover, I have already conducted few events and always
> involved myself in discussions and planning towards this event.
>
> Being an active member could be a reason to be selected as a VP but bear
> in mind there could be other active members who might not want to be an
> executive, hence they did not get selected as a VP. Moreover, having
> conducted few events and being active does not necessarily mean you MUST be
> given a slot. Kindly just bear in mind that there are others who actually
> also have the experience required but not everyone could be given a slot to
> speak.
> 4. The main reason for electing someone as a chapter leader is because he
> has been actively engaged and deserves to be a part of the committee.
> Please show us your chapter and the inSIG rules and regulations that
> indicates that an elected chapter executive MUST be in a committee even
> if the organisers do not think so.
>
> 5. Since you mentioned Dr Govind as an active member and not the chapter
> leader, then he should have been elected as a VP by the Bengaluru chapter
> members, but they thought that my contribution is more.
> What if Dr Govind is not interested in being elected as an executive? If
> he is not, he will not be given the role. Being elected a VP doesn’t mean
> you can do the work given to Dr Govind better than him.
>
> 6. While going through past inSIG events, I feel only few new faces are
> given a chance as there are some people who have managed to be a part of
> most of the previous events.
>
> I agree with you, giving room to deserving new people is needed to build
> their capacity.
> 7. Just to clarify, I didn't come at the last moment to be included as a
> speaker or an organizer for this event, it's being miscommunicated to you.
> Being a VP, when I came to know that I was not allowed to attend this event
> conducted by the Benguluru chapter, I gave them an option that they can use
> me as a speaker where I can deliver free talks. Otherwise, I have been a
> certified trainer for the last 10 years, being certified by Microsoft,
> EC-Council, NSD, so I never deliver free talks anywhere. Indirectly I am
> also being dis-serviced as I have always worked towards this event to get
> it organized successfully
>
> It appears to me that the role of the VP given you in just a few months
> appears to you like a golden spoon and you deserve almost anything that you
> want. Personally I see a bit of bride in your communications, which as a
> leader I believe you should please not feel the kind of entitlement you are
> claiming. Kindly relax and work within the laid down rules, and do not
> expect the rules to be changed to satisfy you sir!
>
> Furthermore, offering to give free talks where the programme is already
> well designed in advance, what if they do not have an allocation for your
> small talks? I am sure the organisers cannot just be forced to satisfy you.
>
>
> 8. if a speaker has an experience and is willing to speak free in your
> future events (even if he is an elected member or a part of coordinating
> committee), please give him a chance it can save at least save you some
> funds especially if you have limited budget
>
> There are plenty people who always come and asking to speak at events I
> organize. I am sure others who also organize events will have similar
> experience of such request. But my brother, it is not everyone who wants to
> speak that can be given the opportunity, even if it is free.
> 9. Since I was elected as a VP of ISOC India Bengaluru Chapter on the
> basis of being the most active member of the chapter, based on your logic I
> should have been the first person selected to be a part of inSIG 2024.
>
> Once more, I asked did you take up the VP role because you thought
> everything you wanted as you are claiming several times would come at your
> beckoning call?
>
>
> I come in peace😊. Kindly note this is my personal opinion!
> Raymond Mamattah
> Board Member, Online Safety SIG
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>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 11:32 AM Sheikh Raashid Javid via Chapter-delegates
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Amrita,
>>
>> Thanks for writing a detailed mail, since you have taken your precious
>> time to compose these lines, so I think it's important for me to reply
>> these points with my own clarification
>>
>> I am happy to share that the ISOC Bengaluru chapter has finally reached
>> me and accepted my resignation, they don't want me to discuss this issue
>> further as they might take it utmost seriously on speaking the truth.
>>
>> Please try to understand that I am not dragging the name of inSIG but I
>> failed to understand how inSIG works.
>>
>>
>> 1. As InSIG is an independent event, but the main organizer was the
>> Bengaluru chapter this time, since you mentioned that inSIG has its own
>> rules, can you please share a link as a reference so that we can read these
>> inSIG rules.
>> 2. I can understand that inSIG is a closed event, that is the reason
>> I also already applied through a proper procedure, may I know on what basis
>> my application got rejected or at least what is the criteria or procedure
>> you follow to select attendees.
>> 3. I have been an active member that is one of the reasons for me
>> being elected as a VP; moreover, I have already conducted few events and
>> always involved myself in discussions and planning towards this event.
>> 4. The main reason for electing someone as a chapter leader is
>> because he has been actively engaged and deserves to be a part of the
>> committee.
>> 5. Since you mentioned Dr Govind as an active member and not the
>> chapter leader, then he should have been elected as a VP by the Bengaluru
>> chapter members, but they thought that my contribution is more.
>> 6. While going through past inSIG events, I feel only few new faces
>> are given a chance as there are some people who have managed to be a part
>> of most of the previous events.
>> 7. Just to clarify, I didn't come at the last moment to be included
>> as a speaker or an organizer for this event, it's being miscommunicated to
>> you. Being a VP, when I came to know that I was not allowed to attend this
>> event conducted by the Benguluru chapter, I gave them an option that they
>> can use me as a speaker where I can deliver free talks. Otherwise, I have
>> been a certified trainer for the last 10 years, being certified by
>> Microsoft, EC-Council, NSD, so I never deliver free talks anywhere.
>> Indirectly I am also being dis-serviced as I have always worked towards
>> this event to get it organized successfully
>> 8. if a speaker has an experience and is willing to speak free in
>> your future events(even if he is an elected member or a part of
>> coordinating committee), please give him a chance it can save at least save
>> you some funds especially if you have limited budget
>> 9. Since I was elected as a VP of ISOC India Bengaluru Chapter on the
>> basis of being the most active member of the chapter, based on your logic I
>> should have been the first person selected to be a part of inSIG 2024.
>>
>>
>> At last I feel quite disappointed because ISOC Bengaluru chapter feels
>> that I am damaging their reputation where they treat this with utmost
>> seriousness and inSIG thinks that I am dragging them unnecessarily in this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> I didn't want to damage the reputation of the Bengaluru chapter or drag
>> inSIG in this, since I felt that there is some mis-management and the roles
>> are not properly defined due to which limited funds get misused.
>>
>> This is my last email, wishing you all the best with your working towards
>> free internet and free speech
>>
>> I am going to filter these mails and any reply will go to spam, as I have
>> already resigned from my position
>>
>> regards,
>> Sheikh
>>
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>> On Sat, 5 Oct, 2024, 11:13 am Amrita Choudhury, <
>> amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Alumni,
>>>
>>> This is with reference to the mail sent by the Vice Chair of ISOC
>>> Bengaluru Chapter a few days back. Seeing a mail sent to the Alumni
>>> where the name of inSIG is being dragged in without understanding how inSIG
>>> works, we felt we should clarify our position.
>>>
>>> On behalf of the *inSIG Coordination Committee,* we wish to clarify a
>>> few things:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. i*nSIG is an independent event organised by 7 ISOC India
>>> Chapters. It has its own rules and is not an Internet Society event.*
>>>
>>> 2. inSIG is a *closed event *where only fellows selected through a
>>> procedure can attend. It is not an open walk-in event where any one can
>>> come in (https://insig.in/fellowship-2024/ )
>>> 3. The planning and work of inSIG goes on for a minimum 7-8 months
>>> and only active members who are working reflect on the website (
>>> https://insig.in/insig-2024-committees/ )
>>> 4. *Being a Chapter leader does not mean their names will be
>>> reflected on any of the committees if the person has not been actively
>>> engaged*.
>>> 5. We have many people in the *Coordinating committee who are not
>>> Chapter leaders *(Anupam, Dr. Govind etc as examples) but actively
>>> contributing.
>>> 6. While we are all for having new people engage positively and
>>> proactively. For example, this year we also had 3 members from the YIGF
>>> India leadership team working actively with the coordination committee
>>> (Ihita, Sameer and Barkha). In fact many of the committee member listed
>>> are inSIG Alumni's.
>>> 7. However, if any person comes at the last moment and demands to
>>> be included and their name to be reflected as an organiser or wants to be
>>> made a speaker, we believe it is a disservice to the workers who for months
>>> have been working to get the event successfully organised.
>>> 8. Infact none of the inSIG coordinating committee members (except
>>> in 1 session) were speakers at inSIG and someone demanding the right to
>>> speak since "elected" as a leader is not an approach we endorse.
>>> 9. Finally and most importantly, *we belive it is an ISOC Bengaluru
>>> chapters internal affairs and the inSIG consortium would not want to be
>>> dragged itnto it or discussed in this mailing list.*
>>>
>>> Hope this clarifies our position.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On behalf of inSIG Coordination Committee
>>>
>>>
>>> Amrita
>>>
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