[Chapter-delegates] The results of the recent polls regarding two issues from the Puerto Rico Chapter and the proposed test for transmission to the BoT.

Sat Jul 6 08:07:14 PDT 2024

Dear Frédéric,

thanks for your kind follow-up. Whilst I do not believe we are engaging 
in politics, the aim of the transparency was to see whether all votes 
were taken into account by the system.
A fallback scenario would be to just publish the list of Chapters who 
have voted without publishing their actual vote, so Chapter Chairs can 
check that their Chapter AC delegate has cast their vote and the vote 
has been taken into account. That's quite basic and I do not think will 
lead to the horse trading which you allude to in your email.
Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 05/07/2024 22:24, Frédéric Taes wrote:
>
> Dear Olivier, Cheryl and all,
>
> Thank you, Cheryl, for the good organization. It’s a pity that only 
> about the half of chapters voted, despite reminders. :-(
>
> I understand the request from Olivier about transparency, however I 
> would find abnormal to disclose who voted on what (or didn’t) for two 
> reasons:
>
>  1. It should have to be communicated beforehand that content of votes
>     would be made public, and not after the votes;
>     the principle should be privacy by default and, if disclosed,
>     properly communicated beforehand and/or with consent;
>
>  2. What’s the purpose of this level of transparency? Which actions
>     would you take if you see that chapter X didn’t voted, or voted
>     against your proposal?
>     There’s a risk to misuse the info to make pressure or to start
>     political alliances; a fictive example: your UK chapter will vote
>     for my proposal on topic X (and I’ll check you did!), and in
>     return my chapter would vote UK proposal on another topic (even if
>     we disagree), OK? ;-)
>
> Additional remarks:
>
>   * what about Special Interest Groups (SIG)? They have no right to
>     vote, no right to have their voice heard, only observer’s role. I
>     don’t find this normal.
>
>   * how to interpret the absence of vote? Is it saying the topic is
>     not important, like saying no? I’m not sure. My guess: mailing
>     lists are not effective or not read, important messages are lost
>     in the mass or marked as spam,… I would suggest a dedicated
>     “read-only” channel for votes and important communications, and
>     discussions in another channel.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Frédéric.
>
> PS to Olivier and Eduardo: I well voted in name of Belgium Chapter, 
> and not against any proposal. :-)  I love community spirit    (and yes 
> I don’t like politics).
>
> *De : *Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> 
> au nom de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via Chapter-delegates 
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Répondre à : *Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> *Date : *vendredi 5 juillet 2024 à 20:16
> *À : *Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com>, 
> <0F9Dn000000QayiKAC at post.dn-71ceimaa.usa576.chatter.salesforce.com>, 
> ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Objet : *Re: [Chapter-delegates] The results of the recent polls 
> regarding two issues from the Puerto Rico Chapter and the proposed 
> test for transmission to the BoT.
>
> Dear Cheryl,
>
> thank you for forwarding this information and following up on these polls.
> In the interest of transparency would you please forward the results 
> showing chapters having voted and their vote? I note that nowhere in 
> the Chapter AC rules is there any mention of consensus calls needing 
> to be confidential.
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> On 05/07/2024 00:28, Cheryl Langdon-Orr via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
>     The message you find attached outlines the procedures and results
>     of the poll conducted by the Chapters Advisory Council (ChAC) of
>     the Internet Society, conducted via Survey Monkey between June
>     17th and July 1st, and aimed to gather support for two proposals
>     from the Puerto Rico Chapter among the 101 Chapters with voting
>     rights. The first proposal was to open the Chapter Delegate email
>     list to all Chapter Members as observers, while the second was to
>     reinstate funding for the ISOC LIVE video and archiving services.
>
>     The results showed that while a majority of responding Chapters
>     supported both proposals, the required level of support for
>     approval required by the ChAC Rules and Procedures for sending
>     advice to the Board of Trustees still needs to be reached.
>     Specifically, 66.04% voted in favour of the first proposal, and
>     for the second, 88.68% voted in favour. However, due to the rules
>     requiring a majority of all eligible Chapters to vote 'yes,' the
>     proposals still need to pass.
>
>     Despite the ChAC being unable to send “formal advice” to the Board
>     of Trustees, the ChAC Steering Committee is taking a proactive
>     step. We propose sending a “recommendation” to the BoT regarding
>     the two proposals since their approval was clear among the poll
>     respondents.
>
>     I've included more details in the attached PDF. If you need
>     additional information or access to the specific results and
>     discussions, we have also included below reference links to
>     summaries and presentations available on Box.com.
>
>     /Cheryl Langdon-Orr/,
>
>     Chair 2024 of the ChAC -SC
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