[Chapter-delegates] FINAL REMINDER: Call for Nominations, ISOC Board of Trustees

Thu Jan 6 08:42:21 PST 2022

I think you have things precisely backwards here, Veni.  ISOC has a budget
that "allows paying trustees" only to the extent that the money paid to
trustees comes from somewhere else.   A dollar we give to a trustee is a
dollar we do not spend on the mission.  I would invite the folks wanting to
spend thousands of dollars on trustees to please indicate which parts of
the Action Plan should be cut back.

--Richard

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:36 AM Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:

> Richard,
> Well, it depends on the point of view...
> Why not look at it from a different perspective - if ISOC pays $ 150K (or
> 50K), that means that CISCO will have to explain to their directors why
> they are paid so little.
> Of course, that's a joke, but so is comparing a commercial public company
> to an NGO. ISOC doesn't need to worry about selling routers, and has a
> budget, which actually allows paying the Trustees. However, of course,
> given the current configuration of the BoT, one should not expect that this
> will happen ever - be that in form of tens of thousands or even just $ 300
> / year. People should not be surprised, if the BoT comes with a counter
> proposal - if someone wants to serve on the BoT, they should be able to
> raise funds for ISOC.
>
> v/
>
>
>
> On 1/6/22 11:31, Richard Barnes via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> Just for comparison here: Cisco directors are paid on the order of
> $300k/yr, and being on the board of a public company entails far more work
> and risk than serving on the ISOC board (far more than 2x by any reasonable
> metric).  Cisco made $49bn in revenue in 2020, about 1000x ISOC, so if ISOC
> were to pay trustees more than $300/yr, we would have some explaining to do
> as to why we were paying our trustees proportionally more than a for-profit
> company.
>
> --RLB
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:21 AM John More via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Hank
>>
>> The amount I suggested was not a reflection on your suggestion, or
>> cynical.  I came up with a number that was not at a Wall Street level, biut
>> a reflection of the responsabilities of ISOC and therefore of those who are
>> its Trustees.
>>
>> John
>>
>> > On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:44 AM, Hank Nussbacher <hank at post.isoc.org.il>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 06/01/2022 03:36, John More wrote:
>> >> Hank
>> >>
>> >> I fully agree that ISOC should compensate Trustees.  There is no
>> reason not to and every reason to do so to enable a broader group of people
>> to run as Trustees. At a minimum, I would suggest $150,000 a year.
>> >
>> > I  am not sure if you made that last sentence in cynicism since that
>> was totally not my intention to compensate Trustees at $150K/yr.  I was
>> thinking more on the order of $50K/yr for the 50hr/month = $83/hr.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Hank
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> John More
>> >>
>> >>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Hank Nussbacher via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 04/01/2022 04:58, George Sadowsky via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi George,
>> >>>
>> >>> I assume many of you also follow the ICANN at-large list and their
>> "multistakeholderism" discussions this past week.
>> >>>
>> >>> In order to be a proper candidate, one that is involved and not just
>> a figurehead, you have to assume at least 50 hr/month of work at being a
>> Trustee.    Other than travel there is no reimbursement for time spent
>> working as  a Trustee.  So who can volunteer and who cannot:
>> >>>
>> >>> - who can volunteer:
>> >>>    - a retired person with a pension (George Sadowsky)
>> >>>    - a person whose company/organization is willing to fund his/her
>> time as a trustee (Richard Barnes/Cisco, Paul Ebersman/Neustar, Brian
>> Haberman/JHU, Ted Hardie/Cisco, Robert Pepper/FB, Jon Peterson/Neustar,
>> Laura Thomson/Fastly)
>> >>>    - A person whose organization may not be completely aware of the
>> immense time spent on ISOC Trustee needs, yet their goals are consistent
>> with the goals of ISOC and allow their staff some leeway into such
>> participation (Ndeye Maimouna Diop/Sonotel, Luis Martinez/Professor in
>> Mexico, Muhammad Shabbir)
>> >>>
>> >>> Every company has a Board of Directors who are paid for being a Board
>> member (not a lot but not nothing).  As long as ISOC has a policy not to
>> compensate Trustees, we will end up whereby ISOC is indirectly controlled
>> by large technological companies.
>> >>>
>> >>> In order to attract those 35-55 year olds who work 50+ hrs/week and
>> who don't have an employer to back them, ISOC needs to change its policy
>> and begin to compensate trustees.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Hank
>> >>>
>> >>>> Dear Colleagues,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is a final reminder that the call for nominations for the
>> Internet Society Board of Trustees 2022 elections closes at 15:00 UTC on
>> Friday, 7 January.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you or someone you know is interested in serving on the board,
>> please see the official call for nominations, additional information and
>> links to the online nomination forms at:
>> >>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/trustees
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> George Sadowsky
>> >>>> 2021-2022 Nominations Committee Chair
>> >>>> Internet Society
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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