[Chapter-delegates] more diversity, was On funding dedicated to chapters

[Veni Markovski]

To add to this thread - has anyone at ISOC bothered to ask our chapters 
why they are not willing to participate in this discussion? Or, to put 
it slightly different - perhaps ISOC should actually hire some 
independent organization to find out why chapters are not active. I 
believe it might be due to cross-cultural differences, but maybe they 
don't care. Or maybe, as someone pointed out, they are afraid that if 
they speak out, there could be some repercussions? Would be good to know.
Would be even better to know what would ISOC do to change that, if 
anything. Maybe ISOC is happy that the majority of the chapters are 
relatively quiet? It would be good to know if the chapter-elected 
Trustees have raised, or continue to raise this question at the Board 
level, and it would be good to know if the Board has addressed it, and 
has decided there's no need to do anything, that ISOC is a diverse 
enough organization, and the BoT has enough diversity. And, of course, 
would be good to know if this was a unanimous decision. This information 
will help us reach a conclusion that a) there's nothing we can do, or b) 
there's a lot that could be done.


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On 10/6/21 05:14, Veni Markovski wrote:
>
> Hi, John.
> Chapters are now the ones, which simultaneously have to provide the 
> diversity, but they have to provide all of the diversity? Chapters 
> elect four Trustees. Last time I checked, 3 of these 4 are from Latin 
> America, Africa and Asia. One is from the USA.
> Instead of playing with hypothetical situations, why don’t you tell us 
> how many of the other Trustees are from Africa, Asia or Latin America? 
> Or, if you’d like, even how many Trustees in the past from these 
> regions have been proposed by the Org members and by the IETF? That 
> would be some useful information.
>
> So, even if the chapters would provide not “just” 75% of their elected 
> Trustees to be not from USA and Western Europe, but 100%, that still 
> will be only 1/3 of all Trustees. So, it’s up to the IETF and the 
> organization members, to, perhaps do their part. If they want, of 
> course, nobody is forcing them.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 22:49 John Levine <isocmember at johnlevine.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     It appears that Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates
>     <veni at veni.com> said:
>     >We — well, I  — don’t complain from the IETF. As you said - it’s
>     their
>     >issue, which from what we see they are either not willing, or not
>     able to
>     >solve. Or maybe they don’t see it as a problem, as the chapters
>     do. If the
>     >latter, that’s another problem, which perhaps ISOC could address
>     in talking
>     >to the IETF.
>
>     Why do you imagine that ISOC does not talk to the IETF?  I presume you
>     are aware that the IAB appoints 1/3 of the board, and the current
>     ISOC
>     board chair is an active IETF participant and a former chair of
>     the IAB.
>
>     But for the diversity advocates in the chapters, here is a question:
>
>     Let's say there are two open Chapter seats on the board, and the
>     nominating
>     committee offers candidates from south Asia, west Africa, and
>     Latin America.
>     Then there is a petition to nominate an old guy from the U.S. 
>     Should the
>     petition candidate be allowed to run, even though he would
>     increase the
>     number of of old guys from the U.S.?
>
>     Let's assume the petition candidate does run and gets more votes than
>     anyone else. Should he be seated on the board, even though he would
>     increase the number of old guys from the U.S.?
>
>     If the answer to those is yes, how do you plan to increase the board's
>     diversity?  If the answer is no, how do you plan to explain to the
>     chapters that they can't vote for their preferred candidate?
>
>     R's,
>     John
>
> -- 
>
> Best regards,
> Veni Markovski
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>
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