[Chapter-delegates] Happy anniversary membernova initiative, was: Meetings on membernova March 3 , 5

[Christer M. Fekjan]

Dear Christine, Klaus and Chapter delegates

Am I right in assuming that Klaus (and possibly others) is requesting a way to 
import updates/changes to member data in a more practical way than manual 
editing by point and click on the website? Like an API, or at least the 
possibility to upload a CSV file.

If so, data privacy and GDPR should _not_ be of any hindrance. As long as the 
same types of data as before are processed/stored, the interface for doing so 
is of minor/no importance. More important is the possibility to actually store 
correct (= up to date) data, which _is_ a GDPR requirement. Thus an interface 
as requested, as long as the transfer is encrypted, will be an improvement 
whether the current data privacy policy fulfills GDPR and other requirements or 
not. Correct data is better than wrong data, and the ability _to_correct_ data 
is a GDPR requirement. If updates are practically infeasable (due to the 
time/work involved), the requirement is not fulfilled.

Data privacy policy can therefore not be considered a valid argument against 
an improved interface in my belief.


Kind regards,
Christer

On Wednesday 10 March 2021 20:23:16 Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates 
wrote:
> Dear Klaus,
> As mentioned yesterday, we will share an overview next week of all the
>  improvements that were implemented over the last few months that were not
>  linked to data privacy, and there were indeed quite a few of these. We
>  will be in touch on this with all Chapter AMS Administrators. And, as
>  stated, we want to ensure a comprehensive approach to the organisation's
>  data privacy policy and this is what we are working on. This includes
>  topics such as the one you mention below, which we'll make sure are
>  addressed and we're grateful for any constructive pointers that we get
>  from community members. At this stage though and given the work that is in
>  progress as mentioned above, I kindly ask you to reach out to either Nick
>  or myself directly if you wish to discuss anything in particular in
>  relation to this before we can share that work with the wider community.
>  Thank you!
> 
> Christine
> 
> 
> From: Klaus Birkenbihl <Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de>
> Date: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 at 15:13
> To: Christine Saegesser <saegesser at isoc.org>
> Cc: "chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Happy anniversary membernova initiative,
>  was: Meetings on membernova March 3 , 5
> 
> 
> Dear Christine,
> Christine Saegesser schrieb am 09.03.21 um 11:28:
> 
> On the other hand, and as discussed in the past, the specific questions you
>  are referring to below are not purely technical in nature but are linked
>  to data privacy considerations.
> 
> 
> 
> Please know that the Internet Society is in the process of doing an
>  in-depth legal review of its data privacy policy to come up with a
>  comprehensive approach. The results of this analysis are currently
>  undergoing internal review and will be shared with the Chapter Advisory
>  Council and the wider Chapter leaders community later on in the process.
> 
> Sorry Christine - are you kidding me? I heard this song before (last time
>  in October). Please understand: most requests on the table don't touch
>  privacy issues at all. Privacy is about which data is collected and
>  exchanged for which purpose on on which legal basis. We talking about ways
>  to make the exchange of data between chapters and isoc.org less cumbersome
>  and more secure - independent of the kind of data we exchange. So with all
>  due respect - this is a flimsy excuse. Best regards
> 
> Klaus
> 
> PS.: Respecting privacy is obviously not too high ranked on Internet
>  Society's agenda. E.g.: in July 2019 I flagged up that the Internet
>  Society Cookie banner does not provide an option to refuse consent (IMHO
>  in conflict with our own principles and also not conforming to EU ruling).
>  Meanwhile most orgs and enterprises in the world have adopted their
>  banners to EU ruling. Not so the Internet Society. Instead people are
>  referred to e.g.
>  https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/01/lazy-persons-guide-better-onl
> ine-privacy/ in the Cookie policy. Embarrassed?
> 
> --
> 
> Klaus Birkenbihl
> 
> Internet Society German Chapter (ISOC.DE) e.V.
> 
> c/o ict-Media GmbH
> 
> https://www.isoc.de
>