[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society information session on "New IP" | July 28, 07:00 UTC & 13:00 UTC

Wed Jul 21 22:57:01 PDT 2021

On 22/07/2021 01:17, Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates wrote:

Dave,

You are wrong to when you state "What this is about is the telcos - 
including the big Europeans..."
RIPE represents over 20,000 members including numerous big European 
telcos and the view inside RIPE is best articulated here:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/marco_hogewoning/do-we-need-a-new-ip/

Regards,
Hank

> If we want to discuss the issue, let's use the less loaded term 
> "deterministic networking," which is what the IETF calls this stuff. 
> As Elizabeth notes, China Mobile and friends backed off the "New IP" 
> idea a year ago.
>
> What this is about is the telcos - including the big Europeans - 
> wanting to control everything in order to charge more. They promise 
> wonders of improved performance if they are put in charge, which I 
> think is highly unlikely. (Vint has also spoken out.)
>
> ISOC needs to keep to the real issues and not get caught up in the 
> cold war.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:30 PM Elizabeth Oluoch <oluoch at isoc.org 
> <mailto:oluoch at isoc.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Dave,
>
>     Thanks for your email. The session next week will touch on some of
>     the questions you raise particularly around the evolution and
>     status of the New IP proposal. Our aim is to outline the claims in
>     the New IP proposal and offer some of our perspectives on the
>     implications of the proposal’s outcomes to the Internet. We hope
>     that you are able to join.
>
>     The New IP related questions in Study Group 13 (Future Networks)
>     and Study Group 11(signalling, protocols) were not approved as new
>     work items for the next study period at the December 2020
>     plenaries of these study groups. Essentially there would be no
>     discussion on these questions during this study period which was
>     extended to March 2022. WTSA-20 will be held March 1-9, 2022. It
>     doesn’t rule out the possibility of discussion at WTSA-20.
>
>     The “New IP” was a set of proposals submitted to ITU-T Focus Group
>     on Technologies for 2030 (Focus Group 2030
>     <https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Pages/default.aspx>)
>     and TSAG. The proposals can be accessed on the ITU-T Liaison
>     Statement on the IETF Datatracker here:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/>. The documents below
>     are in the attachment section of the Liaison Statement.
>
>       * Document:“/New IP, Shaping Future Network”: Propose to
>         initiate the discussion of strategy transformation for
>         ITU-T”/(TSAG-C83)
>       * Tutorial Presentation: “/New IP, Shaping Future Network”
>         /(TSAG-TD598).
>
>     While the “New IP” term was modified to “Future Vertical
>     Communication Networks," in ITU-T, the New IP initiative continues
>     to be used outside of the ITU. Further, there have been several
>     proposals submitted (some withdrawn) to ITU-T SGs in the early
>     part of this year that reflected some of the main
>     features/capabilities and, or keywords that were in the New IP
>     proposal.
>
>     Please let us know if you have further question. Feel free to send
>     them in advance as well.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Elizabeth
>
>     *From: *Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com <mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>>
>     *Date: *Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 5:20 AM
>     *To: *Audio Conferencing Conferencing Info <oluoch at isoc.org
>     <mailto:oluoch at isoc.org>>
>     *Cc: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>"
>     <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
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>     *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society information
>     session on "New IP" | July 28, 07:00 UTC & 13:00 UTC
>
>     Elizabeth
>
>     I haven't looked at this for a while. Last I heard, the US was
>     blocking consensus in the Study Group. Has that changed?
>
>     Also, what are the actual proposals we are looking at? In
>     particular, can you forward the draft that we're discussing or at
>     least the ITU document number for me to download?
>
>     (There were major changes since Olaf last wrote about this. Among
>     other things, I don't think it's called New IP any longer. ETSI
>     tells me the Chinese decided to drop the changes to IP but I
>     haven't confirmed that.)
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Dave
>
>     On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 12:43 PM Elizabeth Oluoch via
>     Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>
>         Dear Chapter Leaders,
>
>         Two years ago, the ITU Telecommunication Standardization
>         Sector (ITU-T) received a proposal to begin work to design a
>         “new information and communications network with new protocol
>         system” to meet the needs of a future network - the “/New IP,
>         Shaping Future Network”/**proposal*. *The Internet Society is
>         closely following developments on “New IP.”
>
>         Please join us for a virtual session on “*New IP” on
>         Wednesday, July 28, either 07:00 UTC or 13:00 UTC*. The agenda
>         will include an overview of the of the "New IP" proposal, the
>         main issues in the proposal and implications for the Internet.
>         *_Please note the sessions will not be recorded_*.
>
>         Speakers:
>
>           * Dr. Hosein Badran, Director Internet Growth and Trust
>           * Olaf, Kolkman, Principal, Technology, Policy and Advocacy
>           * Andrei Robachevsky, Senior Director, Technology Programmes
>
>         Please register.
>         <https://internetsociety.wufoo.com/forms/w1ssgl830mkz73y/> 
>         Zoom details will be sent to registered participants.
>
>         You can send questions to the speakers in advance to Elizabeth
>         Oluoch at oluoch at isoc.org <mailto:oluoch at isoc.org>.
>
>         Thank you and best regards,
>
>         Elizabeth
>
>         Elizabeth Oluoch – Do Canto
>
>         Director, International Institutions and Relations
>
>         Internet Society
>
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