[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society information session on "New IP" | July 28, 07:00 UTC & 13:00 UTC

[Dave Burstein]

If we want to discuss the issue, let's use the less loaded term
"deterministic networking," which is what the IETF calls this stuff. As
Elizabeth notes, China Mobile and friends backed off the "New IP" idea a
year ago.

What this is about is the telcos - including the big Europeans - wanting to
control everything in order to charge more. They promise wonders of
improved performance if they are put in charge, which I think is highly
unlikely. (Vint has also spoken out.)

ISOC needs to keep to the real issues and not get caught up in the cold
war.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:30 PM Elizabeth Oluoch <oluoch at isoc.org> wrote:

> Hello Dave,
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> Thanks for your email. The session next week will touch on some of the
> questions you raise particularly around the evolution and status of the New
> IP proposal. Our aim is to outline the claims in the New IP proposal and
> offer some of our perspectives on the implications of the proposal’s
> outcomes to the Internet. We hope that you are able to join.
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> The New IP related questions in Study Group 13 (Future Networks) and Study
> Group 11(signalling, protocols) were not approved as new work items for the
> next study period at the December 2020 plenaries of these study groups.
> Essentially there would be no discussion on these questions during this
> study period which was extended to March 2022. WTSA-20 will be held March
> 1-9, 2022. It doesn’t rule out the possibility of discussion at WTSA-20.
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> The “New IP” was a set of proposals submitted to ITU-T Focus Group on
> Technologies for 2030 (Focus Group 2030
> <https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Pages/default.aspx>)
> and TSAG. The proposals can be accessed on the ITU-T Liaison Statement on
> the IETF Datatracker here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1653/.
> The documents below are in the attachment section of the Liaison Statement.
>
>    - Document: “*New IP, Shaping Future Network”: Propose to initiate the
>    discussion of strategy transformation for ITU-T”* (TSAG-C83)
>    - Tutorial Presentation: “*New IP, Shaping Future Network” *
>    (TSAG-TD598).
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> While the “New IP” term was modified to “Future Vertical Communication
> Networks," in ITU-T, the New IP initiative continues to be used outside of
> the ITU. Further, there have been several proposals submitted (some
> withdrawn) to ITU-T SGs in the early part of this year that reflected some
> of the main features/capabilities and, or keywords that were in the New IP
> proposal.
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> Please let us know if you have further question. Feel free to send them in
> advance as well.
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> Best,
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> Elizabeth
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> *From: *Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 5:20 AM
> *To: *Audio Conferencing Conferencing Info <oluoch at isoc.org>
> *Cc: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society information session
> on "New IP" | July 28, 07:00 UTC & 13:00 UTC
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>
> Elizabeth
>
> I haven't looked at this for a while. Last I heard, the US was blocking
> consensus in the Study Group. Has that changed?
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> Also, what are the actual proposals we are looking at? In particular, can
> you forward the draft that we're discussing or at least the ITU document
> number for me to download?
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> (There were major changes since Olaf last wrote about this. Among other
> things, I don't think it's called New IP any longer. ETSI tells me the
> Chinese decided to drop the changes to IP but I haven't confirmed that.)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
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>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 12:43 PM Elizabeth Oluoch via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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> Dear Chapter Leaders,
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>
>
> Two years ago, the ITU Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T)
> received a proposal to begin work to design a “new information and
> communications network with new protocol system” to meet the needs of a
> future network - the “*New IP, Shaping Future Network”* proposal*.  *The
> Internet Society is closely following developments on “New IP.”
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> Please join us for a virtual session on “*New IP” on Wednesday, July 28,
> either 07:00 UTC or 13:00 UTC*. The agenda will include an overview of
> the of the "New IP" proposal, the main issues in the proposal and
> implications for the Internet.  *Please note the sessions will not be
> recorded*.
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> Speakers:
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>    - Dr. Hosein Badran, Director Internet Growth and Trust
>    - Olaf, Kolkman, Principal, Technology, Policy and Advocacy
>    - Andrei Robachevsky, Senior Director, Technology Programmes
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> Please register.
> <https://internetsociety.wufoo.com/forms/w1ssgl830mkz73y/>  Zoom details
> will be sent to registered participants.
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> You can send questions to the speakers in advance to Elizabeth Oluoch at
> oluoch at isoc.org.
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> Thank you and best regards,
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> Elizabeth
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> Elizabeth Oluoch – Do Canto
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> Director, International Institutions and Relations
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> Internet Society
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