[Chapter-delegates] Message from Internet Society Audit Committee Chair

Sun Nov 8 15:13:41 PST 2020

Dear Vint,

Somewhat of a pointless question: Why does the Attorney General constrain
and disadvantage purpose not-for-profits ?  Renders not-for-profits weak.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:14 AM vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> the USG sets conflict $ limits at $25!!!
>
> v
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 4:42 PM Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:
>
>> I don’t remember (it was perhaps 15 years ago), but the issue today is
>> different. It is normal to expect that active people in their respected
>> countries may decide to join a chapter and its board. I don’t say “staff”,
>> as I don’t know how many chapters actually have budget to hire staff.
>> Boards are usually non-paid position.
>> I find it counterintuitive from ISOC to put such a request to the
>> chapter-elected trustees.
>> Note that I’m not talking about other organizations that may provide
>> people from their leadership to serve on the BoT, just about the chapters.
>> Surely an admin support of $2K cannot be considered seriously as such a
>> big conflict that a Trustee won’t be allowed to... what? Vote ISOC budget?
>>
>> May be there’s some very simple explanation, which I just can’t see in
>> the text of the document or in Andrew’s emails. It may be my problem alone,
>> but I see other comments, by other people, who have even more questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 16:31 vinton cerf <vgcerf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> veni,
>>> at the time you were on the ISOC board and chair of ISOC Bulgaria, it
>>> might be that there were no pecuniary considerations provided by ISOC to
>>> the Chapters. In that case, perhaps no conflict?
>>>
>>> v
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 4:09 PM Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 15:35 Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 08, 2020 at 11:06:35AM -0500, Veni Markovski via
>>>>> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >— run for the BoT of ISOC and give up the work they do in their own
>>>>> >countries
>>>>> >— never run foe the BoT, and keep work with their chapters foe the
>>>>> good of
>>>>> >the national Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> That appears to me to be a false dichotomy.  As I have said
>>>>> repeatedly, there is no requirement to give up membership in a Chapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I didn’t talk about membership in a chapter.
>>>>
>>>> The requirement is that one not be a Trustee and an officer of any
>>>>> Chapter at the same time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right. That’s what I was talking about.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that there are many examples of people working in a Chapter
>>>>> -- indeed, very actively -- without being an officer of that Chapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That’s correct, too.
>>>>
>>>> I find it somewhat distressing, indeed, to read the apparent
>>>>> implication that the only important people in a Chapter are its officers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don’t think I’ve ever used the word “important”, but we are in a
>>>> mailing list, which is called “chapter delegates”. If one is not a member
>>>> of the chapter leadership, (s)he won’t be able to read it. That doesn’t
>>>> make these people important (not sure why you came up with this word?), but
>>>> just what the name suggests - chapter leaders.
>>>>
>>>> The idea that someone cannot be a chapter leader and a Trustee of ISOC
>>>> is definitely new (I was a Trustee and chair of the board of ISOC Bulgaria
>>>> at some point), and to me makes no sense. Let’s not forget — as many have
>>>> pointed out — that sitting in the chapter leadership is usually a volunteer
>>>> position (same as being an ISOC trustee, right?), so I’m still not sure
>>>> what conflict of interests there might be, and also not sure why one
>>>> wouldn’t excuse themselves from issues that may be perceived as conflicting.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, one could argue that if there are no interests, the
>>>> chapter-elected trustees won’t even run for the BoT.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps someone at ISOC could provide us with a short list of where
>>>> former and current Trustees are coming from with regards to them being
>>>> members of chapter leadership? It may turn out that you are right, and then
>>>> that won’t be an issue at all? Or may be the majority of them come from the
>>>> chapter leadership and that’s normal as they have shown long-term interest
>>>> in serving not only their countries’ Internet community,  but the global
>>>> one, too?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Sullivan
>>>>> President & CEO, Internet Society
>>>>> sullivan at isoc.org
>>>>> +1 416 731 1261
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>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Veni Markovski
>>>> http://www.veni.com
>>>> pgp: 5BA1366E veni at veni.com
>>>> <http://www.veni.com/>
>>>>
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>>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Veni Markovski
>> http://www.veni.com
>> pgp: 5BA1366E veni at veni.com
>> <http://www.veni.com/>
>>
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>> the author in any given way.
>>
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