[Chapter-delegates] Message from Internet Society Audit Committee Chair

[vinton cerf]

the USG sets conflict $ limits at $25!!!

v


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 4:42 PM Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:

> I don’t remember (it was perhaps 15 years ago), but the issue today is
> different. It is normal to expect that active people in their respected
> countries may decide to join a chapter and its board. I don’t say “staff”,
> as I don’t know how many chapters actually have budget to hire staff.
> Boards are usually non-paid position.
> I find it counterintuitive from ISOC to put such a request to the
> chapter-elected trustees.
> Note that I’m not talking about other organizations that may provide
> people from their leadership to serve on the BoT, just about the chapters.
> Surely an admin support of $2K cannot be considered seriously as such a
> big conflict that a Trustee won’t be allowed to... what? Vote ISOC budget?
>
> May be there’s some very simple explanation, which I just can’t see in the
> text of the document or in Andrew’s emails. It may be my problem alone, but
> I see other comments, by other people, who have even more questions.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 16:31 vinton cerf <vgcerf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> veni,
>> at the time you were on the ISOC board and chair of ISOC Bulgaria, it
>> might be that there were no pecuniary considerations provided by ISOC to
>> the Chapters. In that case, perhaps no conflict?
>>
>> v
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 4:09 PM Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 15:35 Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 08, 2020 at 11:06:35AM -0500, Veni Markovski via
>>>> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >— run for the BoT of ISOC and give up the work they do in their own
>>>> >countries
>>>> >— never run foe the BoT, and keep work with their chapters foe the
>>>> good of
>>>> >the national Internet.
>>>>
>>>> That appears to me to be a false dichotomy.  As I have said repeatedly,
>>>> there is no requirement to give up membership in a Chapter.
>>>
>>>
>>> And I didn’t talk about membership in a chapter.
>>>
>>> The requirement is that one not be a Trustee and an officer of any
>>>> Chapter at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right. That’s what I was talking about.
>>>
>>> I believe that there are many examples of people working in a Chapter --
>>>> indeed, very actively -- without being an officer of that Chapter.
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s correct, too.
>>>
>>> I find it somewhat distressing, indeed, to read the apparent implication
>>>> that the only important people in a Chapter are its officers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t think I’ve ever used the word “important”, but we are in a
>>> mailing list, which is called “chapter delegates”. If one is not a member
>>> of the chapter leadership, (s)he won’t be able to read it. That doesn’t
>>> make these people important (not sure why you came up with this word?), but
>>> just what the name suggests - chapter leaders.
>>>
>>> The idea that someone cannot be a chapter leader and a Trustee of ISOC
>>> is definitely new (I was a Trustee and chair of the board of ISOC Bulgaria
>>> at some point), and to me makes no sense. Let’s not forget — as many have
>>> pointed out — that sitting in the chapter leadership is usually a volunteer
>>> position (same as being an ISOC trustee, right?), so I’m still not sure
>>> what conflict of interests there might be, and also not sure why one
>>> wouldn’t excuse themselves from issues that may be perceived as conflicting.
>>>
>>> Actually, one could argue that if there are no interests, the
>>> chapter-elected trustees won’t even run for the BoT.
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone at ISOC could provide us with a short list of where
>>> former and current Trustees are coming from with regards to them being
>>> members of chapter leadership? It may turn out that you are right, and then
>>> that won’t be an issue at all? Or may be the majority of them come from the
>>> chapter leadership and that’s normal as they have shown long-term interest
>>> in serving not only their countries’ Internet community,  but the global
>>> one, too?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> President & CEO, Internet Society
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>>> Best regards,
>>> Veni Markovski
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>>>
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>> --
>
> Best regards,
> Veni Markovski
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> pgp: 5BA1366E veni at veni.com
> <http://www.veni.com/>
>
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