[Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice

[Winthrop Yu]

To be clear -- no objections to the ChAC advice were made before the deadline. 
The "dissenters" were requesting an extension of the Consensus Call deadline.

Was that an accusation of the ChAC "suppressing dissent"? That seems like a 
strange accusation, particularly as the Chapters were not even given the chance 
to dissent before the PIR sale was declared a "done deal". Isn't ISOC itself an 
NGO/CSO to which these standards should apply?

WYn


On 2 Mar 2020 6:29 am, Mike Godwin via Chapter-delegates wrote:
> Richard writes:
>
> 'With due respect, the ChAC process was scrupulously followed, as Eduardo has 
> explained. You apparently think that that process is not appropriate. You are 
> of course entitled to you views, but it is the process that was approved by 
> the Board.'
>
> The notion that scrupulous adherence to due process is a defense is a common 
> argument in Hell. See, e.g., this statement by Grant Gilmore:
>
> https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/342530-the-ages-of-american-law-the-storrs-lectures-series
>
> In relevant sentence: "In hell there will be nothing but law, and due process 
> will be meticulously observed.”
>
> Your argument that that due process was "scrupulously" followed is no comfort 
> to the dissenters whom you participated in suppressing.
>
> Mike
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> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:07 PM John More via Chapter-delegates 
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Juan
>
>     I fully recognize how busy most of us are. There is a difference between
>     the elists which are often loaded with repetitious comments and can be a
>     waste of time. The ChapterAC process for the advice was clear and
>     scrupulously followed. Moreover, it involved relatively minimal time
>     demands except for those of us on the drafting committee. All that was
>     required was to review the draft and send in an email opposition. If there
>     had been opposition expressed, a vote would have been required.
>
>     So I agree that silence is not assent, but it is a “consent" that the
>     proposal go forward without a formal vote, especially since withholding
>     consent was fairly easy to do.
>
>     I do hope you will be able to be involved if the ChaptersAC has another
>     issue like this one.
>
>     Yours,
>
>     John More
>     ISOC-DC
>
>     > On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Juan C. Cigala, Internet Society Canarias
>     via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     > I agree with Franca and Solomon, silence is not consent.
>     >
>     > Many of us haven't the time to take care of this kind of never ending
>     kind of discussions.
>     >
>     > I support the debate, but with the due respect for the time of the others.
>     >
>     >
>     > On 2/27/2020 04:49, Solomon Hopewell Kembo via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>     >> I agree with Franca, silence is not consent.
>     >
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