[Chapter-delegates] TikTok and related US actions
borka at e5.ijs.si
borka at e5.ijs.si
Fri Aug 7 10:00:39 PDT 2020
Slovenia was and is still very efficient in controling the COVID 19 virus
spreading, but this was accieved with good measures and cooperation
(agreement) of the
citizens. The data about new infected are still very low, less than 15
per day and we have only 22 perons in hospitals, and only 122
deaths. Slovenian are now mainly on holidays (with financial support by
the governement) in the country and in Croatia,
but the measures are still followed in both countries.
Regards,
Borka .
Regarding control, the question is about where and how much, and where is
the power that control. But, this is another question to be discussed.
Regards,
Borka
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020, ANDREA LIVINGSTON-PRINCE wrote:
> Congratulations Slovenia. Your leadership is working for you!
>
> I do believe that because of the power that access provides, some amount of
> control may be necessary.
>
> This is not dissimilar to my view that since some countries have different
> core values on the treatment of COVID19 resulting in higher numbers than is
> tolerable for our small island state, then travel from their states should
> be banned until the risk is removed.
>
> Do you believe that this is a balanced view?
>
> Andrea Livingston-Prince
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 08:54 Borka Jerman Blazic via Chapter-delegates
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here, from Ljubljana, Slovenia is not possible to open the
> White house URLs from the enclosed mail. I assume (but I am not
> 100% sure) that Slovenia is not yet placed on
>
> the list of "30 trusted countries" because the memorandum "for
> secure communications" will be signed next Thursday during the
> visit of the state secretary M.Pompeo to Slovenia, who is on
>
> a trip to several European countries (including Austria,
> Poland, Romania and few others) with the same mission (signing
> the memorandum and accepting the new policy for electronic
> communications - Internet). The list of countries is very
> apparent, as the list of signatories most possibly will be then
> used for convincing the other European countries that may have
> some concern.
>
> This a good example how internet will function in the future,
> the access to information will be restricted in and out the
> closed circle of "trusted countries". To become "trusted
> country" you will need to accept the new US policy for
> electronic communication. This remind me to the COCOM era and
> the use of cryptography war.
>
> Is this policy acceptable for ISOC ("Internet is for everyone"?
>
>
>
> Borka
>
> Richard Hill via Chapter-delegates je 7. 08. 2020 ob 13:54
> napisal:
>
> > I wonder whether ISOC should take a position regarding actions
> that > the US is taking, or proposing to take, regarding the use
> of Chinese > ICT products and services. > > I presume that
> everybody on this list is aware of US President > Trump's
> intention of banning TikTok, or at least forcing its US >
> operations to be sold to a US company. Here is the actual
> Executive > Order (and a corresponding order regarding WeChat):
> > > >https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-
> t > > hreat-posed-tiktok/
> > > >https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-
> t > > hreat-posed-wechat/
> > > The rationale for the TikTok Order includes the following: >
> > "TikTok automatically captures vast swaths of information from
> its > users, including Internet and other network activity
> information such > as location data and browsing and search
> histories. This data > collection threatens to allow the Chinese
> Communist Party access to > Americans' personal and proprietary
> information - potentially > allowing China to track the
> locations of Federal employees and > contractors, build dossiers
> of personal information for blackmail, > and conduct corporate
> espionage." > > "TikTok also reportedly censors content that the
> Chinese Communist > Party deems politically sensitive, such as
> content concerning > protests in Hong Kong and China's treatment
> of Uyghurs and other > Muslim minorities. This mobile
> application may also be used for > disinformation campaigns that
> benefit the Chinese Communist Party, > such as when TikTok
> videos spread debunked conspiracy theories about > the origins
> of the 2019 Novel Coronavirus." > > The first paragraph is about
> data collection. It appears to me that > banning the application
> outright is a disproportionate measure. It > would have sufficed
> to ban the undesirable data collection. > > The second paragraph
> is about censorship and disinformation. Banning > the
> application does not reduce censorship. Again, it appears to me
> > that the outright ban is disproportionate. It would have
> sufficed to > ban the censorship and disinformation. > >
> Separately, it seems to me that analogous arguments can be made
> for > Facebook and Twitter. For example: > > "Facebook
> automatically captures vast swaths of information from its >
> users, including Internet and other network activity information
> such > as location data and browsing and search histories. This
> data > collection threatens to allow the US government to access
> the > personal and proprietary information of US persons under
> warrant and > non-US persons without individual warrants -
> potentially allowing the > US government to track the locations
> of employees of contractors of > other governments, build
> dossiers of personal information for > blackmail, and conduct
> espionage." > > "Facebook also reportedly censors content that
> the Facebook deems > unacceptable, such as hate speech,
> incitement to violence, nudity, > etc. Facebook may also be used
> for disinformation campaigns that > benefit political parties,
> such as when Facebook was used to spread > incorrect information
> on political issues and the 2019 Novel > Coronavirus." > >
> Should ISOC take a position on these issues? Should other states
> > follow the path opened by the US and proceed to ban Facebook,
> > Twitter, etc? > > Doesn't the US position invalidate the
> proposals it has put forth in > WTO and free trade agreements
> regarding free flow of data? > > More importantly, the TikTok
> ban is just one step of an announced US > campaign to curtail
> the use of Chinese ICT products and services. I > reproduce
> below statements from the US Department of State. > > Again,
> should ISOC take a position on this matter? Should states >
> choose camps and decide to exclude ICTs developed or provided by
> > vendors in other countries? In this context, note that US-made
> > hardware has been known to contain undocumented backdoors: > >
> >https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-softwar
> e > > ,37480.html
> >https://www.csoonline.com/article/2136221/cisco-confirms-undocumented-backd
> o > > or.html
> >https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco
> - > > sa-20180328-xesc
> >https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco
> - > > sa-20180307-cpcp
> >https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco
> - > > sa-20180516-dnac
> >https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco
> - > > sa-20180606-waas-snmp
> >https://blog.rapid7.com/2015/12/20/cve-2015-7755-juniper-screenos-authentic
> a > > tion-backdoor/
> > > Again, doesn't the US position invalidate the proposals it
> has put > forth in WTO and free trade agreements regarding ICT
> products and > services? > > Best, Richard > > ========== > >
> Press release at: > >https://www.state.gov/announcing-the-expansion-of-the-clean-network-to-safe
> g > > uard-americas-assets/
> > > The Clean Network program is the Trump Administration's >
> comprehensive approach to guarding our citizens' privacy and our
> > companies' most sensitive information from aggressive
> intrusions by > malign actors, such as the Chinese Communist
> Party (CCP). Today, I am > announcing the launch of five new
> lines of effort to protect > America's critical
> telecommunications and technology infrastructure. > > These
> programs are rooted in internationally accepted digital trust >
> standards and built upon the 5G Clean Path initiative, announced
> on > April 29, 2020, to secure data traveling on 5G networks
> into U.S. > diplomatic facilities overseas and within the United
> States. > > The five new lines of effort for the Clean Network
> are as follows: > > * Clean Carrier: To ensure untrusted
> People's Republic of China > (PRC) carriers are not connected
> with U.S. telecommunications > networks. Such companies pose a
> danger to U.S. national security and > should not provide
> international telecommunications services to and > from the
> United States. > > * Clean Store: To remove untrusted
> applications from U.S. mobile > app stores. PRC apps threaten
> our privacy, proliferate viruses, and > spread propaganda and
> disinformation. American's most sensitive > personal and
> business information must be protected on their mobile > phones
> from exploitation and theft for the CCP's benefit. > > * Clean
> Apps: To prevent untrusted PRC smartphone manufacturers > from
> pre-installing -or otherwise making available for download - >
> trusted apps on their apps store. Huawei, an arm of the PRC >
> surveillance state, is trading on the innovations and
> reputations of > leading U.S. and foreign companies. These
> companies should remove > their apps from Huawei's app store to
> ensure they are not partnering > with a human rights abuser. > >
> * Clean Cloud: To prevent U.S. citizens' most sensitive personal
> > information and our businesses' most valuable intellectual
> property, > including COVID-19 vaccine research, from being
> stored and processed > on cloud-based systems accessible to our
> foreign adversaries through > companies such as Alibaba, Baidu,
> and Tencent. > > * Clean Cable: To ensure the undersea cables
> connecting our > country to the global internet are not
> subverted for intelligence > gathering by the PRC at hyper
> scale. We will also work with foreign > partners to ensure that
> undersea cables around the world aren't > similarly subject to
> compromise. > > Momentum for the Clean Network program is
> growing. More than thirty > countries and territories are now
> Clean Countries, and many of the > world's biggest
> telecommunications companies are Clean Telcos. All > have
> committed to exclusively using trusted vendors in their Clean >
> Networks. > > The United States calls on our allies and partners
> in government and > industry around the world to join the
> growing tide to secure our data > from the CCP's surveillance
> state and other malign entities. Building > a Clean fortress
> around our citizens' data will ensure all of our > nations'
> security. > > > =========== > > Remarks by US Secretary of State
> Pompeo, at: > >https://www.state.gov/secretary-michael-r-pompeo-at-a-press-availability-10
> / > > > > In April, I announced our team's Clean Path
> initiative to keep Americans'
> > data safe from untrusted vendors. Today, I'm pleased to
> announce the > expansion of the Clean Network with the launch of
> five new lines of > effort. I'll walk through them quickly. > >
> First, Clean Carrier. We are working to ensure that untrusted >
> Chinese telecom companies don't provide international >
> telecommunications services between the United States and
> foreign > destinations. > > I join Attorney General Barr,
> Secretary Esper, and Acting Secretary > Wolf in urging the FCC
> to revoke and terminate the authorizations of > China Telecom
> and three other companies providing services to and > from the
> United States. > > Second, we call Clean Store. We want to see
> untrusted Chinese apps > removed from U.S. app stores. President
> Trump has mentioned impending > action on TikTok, and for good
> reason. With parent companies based in > China, apps like
> TikTok, WeChat, and others are significant threats > to the
> personal data of American citizens, not to mention tools for >
> CCP [Chinese Communist Party] content censorship. > > Third,
> Clean Apps. We're working to prevent Huawei and other >
> untrusted vendors from pre-installing or making available for >
> download the most popular U.S. apps. We don't want companies to
> be > complicit in Huawei's human rights abuses or the CCP's
> surveillance > apparatus. > > Fourth, Clean Cloud. We're
> protecting Americans' most sensitive > personal information and
> our businesses' most valuable intellectual > property -
> including COVID vaccine research - from being accessed on >
> cloud-based systems run by companies such as Alibaba, Baidu,
> China > Mobile, China Telecom, and Tencent. > > The State
> Department will work closely with Commerce and other > agencies
> to limit the ability of Chinese cloud service providers to >
> collect, to store, and to process vast amounts of data and
> sensitive > information here in the United States. > > Fifth and
> finally, Clean Cable. We're working to ensure that the CCP >
> can't compromise information carried by the undersea cables that
> > connect our country and others to the global internet. > >
> Huawei Marine significantly underbids other companies on
> multiple > procurements to connect Asia, the Pacific, Africa,
> and Europe using > Chinese state-backed underseas technology. >
> > We can't allow that to continue. We call on all freedom-loving
> > nations and companies to join the Clean Network. > >
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