[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?

Mon Apr 15 01:34:20 PDT 2019

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 2:00 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Alejandro,
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:55 AM Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks fof this analysis and fufther disclosure.
>>
>
> A fine point:  Was there anything concealed that needed a 'disclosure' ?
> What I wrote again was an elaboration.
>
> A more general thought: Internet Society is more than one focused only on
> Internet Technical matters
>

That is to say, ISOC's purpose extends beyond matters technical.

>
>
>> Seeing this constructively, we should be builiding a parallel proposal
>> led by ISOC along the lines of "Infusing technical understanding into
>> Internet governance and related policy- and decision-making", partnering
>> with principals from the IETF, IEEE, W3C, ACM, etc., globally, and with
>> organizations like learned societies at the national level; some of these
>> are chapters of the IEEE, others are universities, associations of
>> engineers, of computer scientists, of software developers; in the private
>> sector we have start-ups, OG's like NANOG. Further interest would apply to
>> ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE, AFRINIC and APNIC.
>>
>
>> Any takers? we have a few hours I think!
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:52 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Alejandro,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 2:56 AM Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> To make this ISOC-specific,
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. That is not the idea.
>>>
>>> is civil society doing enough to stay technically informed, to help
>>>> other stakeholders technically informed, and on vigilance that policy,
>>>> regulations, legislation, and decisions are made on a technically sound
>>>> basis compatible with the Internet and its effects on the conduct of people
>>>> and organizations?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good questions. But the proposal is submitted with a Civil Society hat,
>>> for the good of Civil Society, which at the moment happens to be dispersed
>>> between various email lists discussing Internet Governance. The question
>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough" is addressed to the Civil Society,
>>> somewhat accusatively with a purpose, with a view to prompt discussions of
>>> its essential role around the multi-stakeholder table.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also, what "balance" exactly is the cause of concern, if not the above,
>>>> for the Internet Society?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The imbalances implied are a cause of concern for everyone in a deeper
>>> sense, but to Civil Society in particular, at this moment.
>>>
>>> An undisadvataged Civil Society as a stakeholder group would actually be
>>> of complementary value to the pursuits of the Internet (Technical)
>>> Community.
>>>
>>> Proposed primarily in the Internet Governance Caucus list,
>>> simultaneously shared with the Best Bits list, and with APC, thereafter
>>> shared with ISOC as a topic of possible interest to some of the Internet
>>> Society Chapters and members.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>
>>>> El dom., 14 de abr. de 2019 14:33, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Shared in the Chapter Delegates list, as a workshop proposal (in
>>>>> progress) that may be of interest to Chapter members with an interest in
>>>>> Civil Society positions.  I wish to request suggestions for participation
>>>>> in the panel of this workshop being proposed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I
>>>>> intend to propose a workshop.  Looking for support, some quick suggestions
>>>>> to improve the text, and more importantly, for suggestions of speakers who
>>>>> have a good understanding of the history of Civil Society in IG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindly respond ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> title
>>>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>>>>> policy question
>>>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in
>>>>> Internet Governance Policy positions?"
>>>>> relevance to the theme:
>>>>> Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the
>>>>> three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the
>>>>> multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance.
>>>>> relevance to Internet Governance:
>>>>> When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three
>>>>> stakeholders in Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has
>>>>> played a constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance
>>>>> debates. However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other
>>>>> stakeholder groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately
>>>>> towards their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft
>>>>> legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In
>>>>> some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of
>>>>> Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were
>>>>> withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or
>>>>> form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on
>>>>> Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not
>>>>> adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups
>>>>> prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to
>>>>> Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society
>>>>> participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?"  If not enough,
>>>>> what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal title as "Civil
>>>>> Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration between Internet
>>>>> Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role since WSIS 2005,
>>>>> other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that pursue issues in
>>>>> public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom foundations etc,
>>>>> and also organizations such as some Internet Society Chapters, ICANN
>>>>> AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who partake in Civil
>>>>> Society positions in their own way. If the Civil society is not doing
>>>>> enough, is it because it requires greater interaction among those who
>>>>> pursue Civil Society positions in the IGF? How would Civil Society
>>>>> strengthen itself? Would it also look for Civil Society participation from
>>>>> beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer Civil Society participants to the
>>>>> IGF?
>>>>>
>>>>> These are some, and not all, questions that follow the questions in
>>>>> the title.
>>>>>
>>>>> Workshop session description:
>>>>> The session would revolve around the Title Questions, "Is the Civil
>>>>> Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy
>>>>> positions?" to bring up supplementary questions, and in the process
>>>>> identify its strengths and weaknesses to identify solutions towards
>>>>> strengthening itself for a balance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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