[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy positions?

Mon Apr 15 01:30:50 PDT 2019

Dear Alejandro,

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 5:55 AM Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks fof this analysis and fufther disclosure.
>

A fine point:  Was there anything concealed that needed a 'disclosure' ?
What I wrote again was an elaboration.

A more general thought: Internet Society is more than one focused only on
Internet Technical matters.

> Seeing this constructively, we should be builiding a parallel proposal led
> by ISOC along the lines of "Infusing technical understanding into Internet
> governance and related policy- and decision-making", partnering with
> principals from the IETF, IEEE, W3C, ACM, etc., globally, and with
> organizations like learned societies at the national level; some of these
> are chapters of the IEEE, others are universities, associations of
> engineers, of computer scientists, of software developers; in the private
> sector we have start-ups, OG's like NANOG. Further interest would apply to
> ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE, AFRINIC and APNIC.
>

> Any takers? we have a few hours I think!
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:52 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Alejandro,
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 2:56 AM Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> To make this ISOC-specific,
>>>
>>
>> No. That is not the idea.
>>
>> is civil society doing enough to stay technically informed, to help other
>>> stakeholders technically informed, and on vigilance that policy,
>>> regulations, legislation, and decisions are made on a technically sound
>>> basis compatible with the Internet and its effects on the conduct of people
>>> and organizations?
>>>
>>
>> Good questions. But the proposal is submitted with a Civil Society hat,
>> for the good of Civil Society, which at the moment happens to be dispersed
>> between various email lists discussing Internet Governance. The question
>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough" is addressed to the Civil Society,
>> somewhat accusatively with a purpose, with a view to prompt discussions of
>> its essential role around the multi-stakeholder table.
>>
>>
>>> Also, what "balance" exactly is the cause of concern, if not the above,
>>> for the Internet Society?
>>>
>>
>> The imbalances implied are a cause of concern for everyone in a deeper
>> sense, but to Civil Society in particular, at this moment.
>>
>> An undisadvataged Civil Society as a stakeholder group would actually be
>> of complementary value to the pursuits of the Internet (Technical)
>> Community.
>>
>> Proposed primarily in the Internet Governance Caucus list, simultaneously
>> shared with the Best Bits list, and with APC, thereafter shared with ISOC
>> as a topic of possible interest to some of the Internet Society Chapters
>> and members.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>> El dom., 14 de abr. de 2019 14:33, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>> 6.internet at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Shared in the Chapter Delegates list, as a workshop proposal (in
>>>> progress) that may be of interest to Chapter members with an interest in
>>>> Civil Society positions.  I wish to request suggestions for participation
>>>> in the panel of this workshop being proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With a few hours remaining for submission of the 2019 workshops, I
>>>> intend to propose a workshop.  Looking for support, some quick suggestions
>>>> to improve the text, and more importantly, for suggestions of speakers who
>>>> have a good understanding of the history of Civil Society in IG.
>>>>
>>>> Kindly respond ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> title
>>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough?"
>>>> policy question
>>>> "Is the Civil Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet
>>>> Governance Policy positions?"
>>>> relevance to the theme:
>>>> Though proposed under "Digital Inclusion", it is a workshop across the
>>>> three themes, and of relevance to the overall design of the
>>>> multi-stakeholder model of Internet Governance.
>>>> relevance to Internet Governance:
>>>> When broadly classified, Civil Society is one of the three stakeholders
>>>> in Internet Governance. Since WSIS 2005, Civil Society has played a
>>>> constructive role to bring about a balance in Internet Governance debates.
>>>> However, a certain degree of imbalance persists as the other stakeholder
>>>> groups tend to steer policy a little more than proportionately towards
>>>> their own respective positions. Governments around the world draft
>>>> legislative directives some of which the Civil Society find undesirable. In
>>>> some instances, Civil Society positions remarkably differed from that of
>>>> Government, the proposed Acts such as SOPA or PIPA or Directives were
>>>> withdrawn, only to be reintroduced and confirmed by some other title or
>>>> form. Business responds to Civil Society positions, for instance, on
>>>> Privacy issues, but many of the concerns of Civil Society are not
>>>> adequately addressed. It could be stated that the other stakeholder groups
>>>> prevail more than proportionately over Civil Society, in matters related to
>>>> Internet Governance. This prompts the question, "Is the Civil Society
>>>> participating enough? Is the Civil Society doing enough?"  If not enough,
>>>> what needs to be done? In Internet Governance, the formal title as "Civil
>>>> Society" is shared by a somewhat loose collaboration between Internet
>>>> Governance participants who took up the Civil Society role since WSIS 2005,
>>>> other early CS participants in the IGF, organizations that pursue issues in
>>>> public interest including Privacy organizations, Freedom foundations etc,
>>>> and also organizations such as some Internet Society Chapters, ICANN
>>>> AtLarge, ICANN Non Commercial Stakeholder Group etc, who partake in Civil
>>>> Society positions in their own way. If the Civil society is not doing
>>>> enough, is it because it requires greater interaction among those who
>>>> pursue Civil Society positions in the IGF? How would Civil Society
>>>> strengthen itself? Would it also look for Civil Society participation from
>>>> beyond the IGF arena to bring in newer Civil Society participants to the
>>>> IGF?
>>>>
>>>> These are some, and not all, questions that follow the questions in the
>>>> title.
>>>>
>>>> Workshop session description:
>>>> The session would revolve around the Title Questions, "Is the Civil
>>>> Society doing enough to bring about a balance in Internet Governance Policy
>>>> positions?" to bring up supplementary questions, and in the process
>>>> identify its strengths and weaknesses to identify solutions towards
>>>> strengthening itself for a balance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
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>>>
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