[Chapter-delegates] Call with Chapters in advance of the ITU Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00 UTC)

Tue Oct 16 01:36:13 PDT 2018

Elizabeth - Yes this is excellent. I was very happy to see ISOC provide
this support and find candidates come forward.

A few observations

I have participated in the UK MAGIG and ITU preparation including PP18
(more in an observational role this time) for several years along with
several local chapter participants.  I was honoured to be invited to
join the UK delegation but the role isn't supported (not even travel)
and this coupled with the fact that the ITU meeting is far too long and
off beam (for me) to spend so much time on makes my non attendance
guaranteed (again).

Another of the problems I have with engaging with ITU is that the
interest and agenda is focussed for intra organisational positioning and
so political rather than facilitating technical innovation work nor does
it have business interest (for a startup mentor / investor). It is a
place structured for the "usual suspects" and misses the more creative
activities that are actually driving infrastructures and applications of
networks. It is those latter things that are my interest.

Alejandro mentions the dangers of being embroiled in the electoral noise
in ITU. Observationally so much of this depends on relative national
popularity and positioning (international politics) in an ITU context
that a body such as ISOC cannot be in the running. Far better to keep
well clear of that and concentrate on seeding useful projects (e.g.,
peering exchanges) briefing candidates and policy departments locally
and bringing them into the fold as much as possible than getting
involved in "the game".

At the end of the day there are significant parts of the world who are
directing energy at ITU to cover their assertion of cultural / national
/ regional boundaries for networks and applications. The challenge for
us in this is and remains fragmentation and what is being called
permissionless innovation. The telephony world got very comfortable with
a network permissioned by national carrier champions and those same
entities and instincts are still at play.

I will give just one example of a force that is driving us towards a lot
of pain. I am finding an increasing number of websites, services and
applications that are applying GEO IP databases to permission access
based on an assessment of presence within a national border. The fact
that IP addresses are not allocated geographically but topologically for
the Internet means that I am increasingly being denied service despite
being in the intended geographic zone. I think this is an issue that IAB
should look into if they are not already. It is much more than a thin
edge of a long wedge.

Good luck and happy time in Dubai for the ISOC ambassadors and staff,

best

Christian

Elizabeth Oluoch wrote:
>
> Dear Mahad,
>
>  
>
> Thank you for your email. If I may, I would like to respond. You
> raised an important question regarding options for our community’s
> participation and involvement at ITU Plenipotentiary (PP-18). While
> the event begins in two weeks, it is the culmination of months of
> preparations. Some of ISOC’s members have been involved in their
> national and in regional preparations, and helped shape the dialogue
> during these processes.  
>
>  
>
> An announcement for Fellows to PP-18 went out to ISOC members 5 months
> ago. Nadira Al Araj with ISOC Palestine, Paola Perez with ISOC
> Venezuela and Abdulkarim Oyolede from ISOC Nigeria were selected.
> Following the suggestion by Members to have someone with past ITU
> experience as a mentor for the fellows, Judith Hellerstein from the
> Washington DC Chapter was selected, given her many years of ITU
> related experience.  
>
>  
>
> However, there are practical and financial considerations to take into
> account which limit the size of ISOC’s delegation. While there are
> limited number of fellowship spots, there are ways that our community
> can be involved while the discussions are happening in Dubai.  On the
> call with Chapters scheduled on Thursday, we will explore some of
> those options which includes our Communications Plan and how we can
> work together to deliver our PP-18 messages.
>
>  
>
> ISOC has a PP-18 section on the website located here:
> https://www.internetsociety.org/events/un/plenipot-2018/isoc-activities/ 
>
> Please continue to visit this page for the latest updates.
>
>  
>
> I hope you can join the call on Thursday.
>
>  
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>  
>
> Elizabeth Oluoch
>
> Senior Policy Advisor
>
> Internet Society
>
>  
>
> *From: *Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
> on behalf of Mahad Farah <mahad at isoc.so>
> *Date: *Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 6:03 AM
> *To: *Christine Saegesser <saegesser at isoc.org>
> *Cc: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org"
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Call with Chapters in advance of
> the ITU Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00 UTC)
>
>  
>
> Thanks Christine,
>
>  
>
> We are interested in this and we were even thinking of sending someone
> to attend this event in Dubai. However, we have learnt that this is
> only for government and associations like isoc etc. Unlike ICANN with
> its friendly approach of inviting all. So what other options are
> there? Can isoc sponsor a rep from our chapter who can contribute and
> lobby others to ensure the internet remains for all without any
> interference and restrictions, etc. and support all other initiatives
> of isoc. This is a very important event and the more people from isoc
> and chapters experienced with the ITU's complex bureaucracy and
> dynamic attending, the better.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> Mahad
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:30 PM Christine Saegesser
> <saegesser at isoc.org <mailto:saegesser at isoc.org>> wrote:
>
> /(Sorry for cross-posting)/
>
>  
>
> Dear Colleagues, 
>
> We are organising a call with Chapters in advance of the ITU
> Plenipotentiary 2018. The call will take place on *18 October @ 10:00
> UTC and 20:00 UTC* (to cover time zones). 
>
>  
>
> */Please find the details below: /*
>
> As you are fully aware the ITU Plenipotentiary Conference begins in
> Dubai later this month. The Plenipotentiary is an important conference
> that sets out the strategic agenda for the ITU for the next four
> years. The conference will take on key substantive matters that are of
> interest to the Internet Society community, e.g. Cybersecurity,
> Internet Governance, Access issues, within the context of the ITU’s
> role. Based on some of contributions submitted to the conference so
> far, there are proposals that seek a firm positioning of the ITU on
> Internet Governance matters. Given the Internet Society’s important
> mission for an “open, globally connected, secure and trustworthy
> Internet for everyone,” we have much work to do to ensure that the
> Internet continues to be an open, global platform for innovation and
> that collaborative governance processes that have enabled the
> Internet’s success continue to be supported. 
>  
> Please join the Internet Society’s PP-18 team for a discussion on our
> engagement at PP-18 on *Thursday, October 18 at 10:00 UTC and 20:00
> UTC*. We will discuss amongst other topics, our goals, priorities and
> key messages. We would also like to hear from you on how we should
> engage with our Chapters during PP-18. We hope you can join us. 
>
>  
>
> *Connection details (Zoom)
> ======================*
>
> *#1. Chapter Engagement Meeting on PP-18 / 10:00 UTC*
> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://isoc.zoom.us/j/974681186
>  
> Or iPhone one-tap :
>     US: +16465588656,,974681186#  or +16699006833,,974681186# 
> Or Telephone:
>     Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current
> location): 
>         US: +1 646 558 8656  or +1 669 900 6833 
>     Meeting ID: 974 681 186
>     International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/aPhIX7PJ6
>  
> *#2: Chapter Engagement Meeting on PP-18  / 20:00 UTC*
> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://isoc.zoom.us/j/892814371
>  
> Or iPhone one-tap :
>     US: +16699006833,,892814371#  or +16465588656,,892814371# 
> Or Telephone:
>     Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current
> location): 
>         US: +1 669 900 6833  or +1 646 558 8656 
>     Meeting ID: 892 814 371
>     International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/adnNsA5Be3
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Best, 
>
>  
>
> Christine
>
>  
>
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> Internet Society (ISOC)
> Christine Saegesser Baethge
> Senior Manager Global Chapter Development
> Website: www.InternetSociety.org <http://www.InternetSociety.org>
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> Internet Society (ISOC)
> Christine Saegesser Baethge
> Senior Manager Global Chapter Development
> Website: www.InternetSociety.org <http://www.InternetSociety.org>
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