[Chapter-delegates] ISOC @ ICANN 61
Raul Echeberria
echeberria at isoc.org
Tue Mar 13 07:24:42 PDT 2018
Christian,
This is a very interesting reflection.
Certainly, this could be a good topic to discuss on our Chapter regional workshops
Raúl
> El 13 mar. 2018, a las 06:56, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> escribió:
>
> That reassurance is good to hear!
>
> Given the often expressed squeeky noises coming from chapters regarding
> funding. How do chapters build let alone sustain long range programs
> such as ALS / NPOC / local IGFs?
>
> Almost everything I see is in practice self supported by volunteers and
> that limits the catchment for both the policy ambition and engagement
> from a practical perspective.
>
> ICANN seems such a small part of the puzzle to me these days. Policy
> that impacts users seems to be being made directly via local
> legislation, and indirectly via LIRs, local DNS registries particularly
> at ccTLDs, peering exchanges between private members, at content
> networks, traversable indexes and analytics, application infrastructures
> such as CDNs, user tracking networks and for access networks via
> placement of CGNATs, IP address allocations, and increasingly fragmented
> routing tables at ISPs as CDNs take hold.
>
> I got another note from Sir Tim Berners-Lee yesterday asking for support
> to remake the web. Where should our priorities lie?
>
>
> C
> John More wrote:
>> Christian
>>
>> Happily I think you need not be concerned. Individual members of
>> Chapters are involved across the board with ICANN. Involvement on the
>> Chapter level is not restrictive. There is no reason that a Chapter’s
>> involvement as an ALS and/or a member of the NPOC would be limiting.
>> Chapters are also supportive of country IGFs. That is not limiting.
>>
>> In fact, involvement in ICANN processes is fully supported by the
>> Internet Society as far as I can see.
>>
>> That is not to say that your concern could not be a valid one. It is
>> only that it does not seem to arise from how the involvement actually
>> plays put.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> John More
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Christian de Larrinaga
>>> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are several SO's and other structures in ICANN that are under
>>> representing local communities around the world. ISOC community is
>>> often the only (or one of very few) that might have the independent nous
>>> and interest in the round to promote engagement across that broad
>>> spectrum of interests and need in many parts of the world.
>>>
>>> My comment about closing doors I suppose stems from a concern that by
>>> focussing on just one perspective (ALS) at ICANN a chapter may limit the
>>> work needed to build engagement across the entire piece.
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John More wrote:
>>>> Involvement as an ALS in the ALAC structure of ICANN does not require
>>>> payment and is not funded by ICANN. Members of not only ISOC-DC but
>>>> of other ISOC Chapters around the world are here.
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand why you would think that involvement means there
>>>> is any “closing the door”. It is rather opening the door for
>>>> collaboration and involvement in policies of importance to the
>>>> Internet and our membership. Finally the Chapter IS an ALS.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this answers your question.
>>>>
>>>> John More
>>>>
>>>> John More
>>>> Co-Convenor & Treasurer
>>>> The Greater Washington DC Chapter
>>>> of the Internet Society
>>>> 202-256-1515
>>>> morej1 at mac.com <mailto:morej1 at mac.com> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com>
>>>>
>>>> SCANNED BY NORTON ANTI-VIRUS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS NPOC means “Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns”. Shows I am
>>>> still a Newcomer to the ICANN world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Christian de Larrinaga
>>>>> <cdel at firsthand.net
>>>>> <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net> <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's an interesting turn of phrase.
>>>>>
>>>>> "ISOC Chapters are here AS At-Large Structures" (my caps of as) .
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see how chapters might wish to support activities for their local
>>>>> community to engage with global topics and for that reason foster an
>>>>> ALS. But not at the cost of closing the door to any number of other
>>>>> interests important for their community whether they are for profit
>>>>> or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can an ALS really speak as and for your chapter all the time?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also how does this work out financially? Does ISOC support
>>>>> engagement as
>>>>> an ALS or is your local membership supporting the presence at ICANN as
>>>>> the Chapter/ALS or is this actually being funded by a third party
>>>>> entity
>>>>> such as ICANN?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C
>>>>> John More wrote:
>>>>>> ISOC Chapters are here as At-Large Structures (ALSes) or involved in
>>>>>> the Non-Profit Organizations Council (NPOC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John More
>>>>>> ISOC-DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:59 AM, Christian de Larrinaga
>>>>>>> <cdel at firsthand.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net> <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>
>>>>>>> <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to understand why an ISOC chapter would represent
>>>>>>> itself at
>>>>>>> an ICANN meeting other than act as a local host community?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what lowers ISOC's participation stature in the ICANN environment is
>>>>>>>> lack of adhesion to principles (if it happens), lack of coherence
>>>>>>>> among representatives/members (if it happens), and low quality of
>>>>>>>> contributions (if it happens.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fully agree with others that a SIG is not the only option,
>>>>>>>> maybe not
>>>>>>>> even the best; but then, we must make ourselves responsible for
>>>>>>>> coordination among... our very own selves!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:42 AM, Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>> <6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>>>>> <apisanty at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:apisanty at gmail.com> <mailto:apisanty at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:apisanty at gmail.com> <mailto:apisanty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as some of us may remember, the first ISOC-in-ICANN meetings
>>>>>>>> (2009) had as a clear objective the avoidance of surprises
>>>>>>>> among us. We would often find that some chapters were
>>>>>>>> supporting opposed options in ICANN policy. Coordination would
>>>>>>>> be good but surprise avoidance is not a bad second best. For
>>>>>>>> that purpose, an informal conversation is not bad but an
>>>>>>>> agenda is much better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At this ICANN meeting there is a big chance of ISOC losing
>>>>>>>> ground because of insuffcient coordination on key issues like
>>>>>>>> GDPR and whois, where we can expect European chapters to hold
>>>>>>>> a strong pro-GDPR position, and a wider spectrum among others.
>>>>>>>> In general in ICANN ISOC chapters should, IMO, strive for
>>>>>>>> focus on technical grounding of all decisions; prioritizing
>>>>>>>> the stable, secure, robust and resilient operation of the DNS
>>>>>>>> and other coordinated identifier systems, esp. vis-a-vis
>>>>>>>> market creation; fight against mission creep (unnecessary
>>>>>>>> expansion of ICANN activities beyond its mission); support
>>>>>>>> transparency of all organizations (not only ICANN Board and
>>>>>>>> staff but for example At Large member organizations); and
>>>>>>>> contribute to organizational clarity (including: ICANN's
>>>>>>>> reserves and budget; Reviews; the broader consequences of the
>>>>>>>> IANA transition and the restructuring that has been following
>>>>>>>> it.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A very good example of what can go wrong is being actively
>>>>>>>> provided in LACRALO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe an ICANN-interest SIG of ISOC chapters would be the
>>>>>>>> necessary organizational form we need to adopt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't feel that it is right to form this as an interest group
>>>>>>>> or SIG. That actually lowers the ISOC participation stature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please contact me offlist if there is any interest to follow
>>>>>>>> up on such an idea. The name and focus does not have to be
>>>>>>>> "ICANN" as we have more-general concerns included in all of
>>>>>>>> the above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will not be attending the meeting but will gladly convey
>>>>>>>> information about an ISOC chapters-and-members meeting to our
>>>>>>>> Chair and members so they can attend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>> <6.Internet at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com> <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am from ISOC India Chennai Chapter. I feel that we
>>>>>>>> should have our usual ISOC at ICANN meeting, without a set
>>>>>>>> pattern of a formal meeting, but as a meeting that
>>>>>>>> encourages an informal conversation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Sarah Kiden
>>>>>>>> <skiden at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SIG Women and ISOC Uganda also represented.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, we need a meet and greet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 17:26 Susannah Gray
>>>>>>>> <susannah.gray at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/03/2018 17:21, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Some Nigeria Chapter members(like myself) are
>>>>>>>>> here as well, will be good to meet (if there is
>>>>>>>>> an agenda)
>>>>>>>> - At this late stage I assume it will need to be
>>>>>>>> more of a social/meet 'n greet type thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Susannah
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Olga Cavalli
>>>>>>>>> <olgacavalli at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:olgacavalli at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:olgacavalli at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:olgacavalli at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:olgacavalli at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> some members of the ISOC Argentina chapter we
>>>>>>>>> are here as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lets organize someting!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proposals?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> Olga
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2018-03-10 16:49 GMT-04:00 Susannah Gray
>>>>>>>>> <susannah.gray at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:susannah.gray at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm here from the SF Bay Area Chapter, as
>>>>>>>>> is Leah Symekher (previous President,
>>>>>>>>> current project leader).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be great to organise an informal
>>>>>>>>> meeting at some point so we can all say
>>>>>>>>> hi to each other!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Susannah
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>> San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society
>>>>>>>>> Chapter
>>>>>>>>> www.sfbayisoc.org
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sfbayisoc.org/>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sfbayisoc.org <http://www.sfbayisoc.org/>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sfbayisoc.org/> <http://www.sfbayisoc.org
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sfbayisoc.org/>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sfbayisoc.org/>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/03/2018 16:24, Lance Hinds wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Interim Chair and Secretary of
>>>>>>>>>> ISOC-Guyana are currently in attendance
>>>>>>>>>> at ICANN61
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:47 PM Hans
>>>>>>>>>> Petter Holen <hph at oslo.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hph at oslo.net>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hph at oslo.net>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hph at oslo.net>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:hph at oslo.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The treasurer of ISOC Norway Chapter
>>>>>>>>>> will be there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hph
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 at 14:45, Flávio
>>>>>>>>>> Rech Wagner <flavio at inf.ufrgs.br
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am the President of the Brazil
>>>>>>>>>> Chapter and I am also here in
>>>>>>>>>> San Juan.
>>>>>>>>>> Also Demi Getschko, the
>>>>>>>>>> Vice-President of our Chapter,
>>>>>>>>>> is here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flavio
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Às 16:41 de 10/03/2018,
>>>>>>>>>> Christine Arida escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>> I am from the Chapter of Egypt
>>>>>>>>>> (board member) and am here in
>>>>>>>>>> San Juan attending ICANN61 ..
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Christine Arida
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Chapter-delegates
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018
>>>>>>>>>> 9:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Yrjö Länsipuro
>>>>>>>>>> <yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates
>>>>>>>>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>>>>>>> [Chapter-delegates] ISOC @
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN 61
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From Internet of Food SIG
>>>>>>>>>> leadership, I am at ICANN61.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 15:06, Yrjö
>>>>>>>>>> Länsipuro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From the Finnish Chapter
>>>>>>>>>> there are at least Juhani
>>>>>>>>>> Juselius (the new President) and
>>>>>>>>>> myself attending.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yrjö
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Chapter-delegates
>>>>>>>>>> <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>>
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf of Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>>>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 10,
>>>>>>>>>> 2018 8:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Layal Jebran
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>>>>>>> [Chapter-delegates] ISOC @
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN 61
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>> A few board members are
>>>>>>>>>> attending.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Olga, Glenn, John Levine and
>>>>>>>>>> Alice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please outreach to us
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>>>>>>> NARALO Secretariat
>>>>>>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com><mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> skype gmcknight
>>>>>>>>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>>>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:02898%20306%20259>
>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 1:30
>>>>>>>>>> PM, Layal Jebran
>>>>>>>>>> <me at layaljebran.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:me at layaljebran.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:me at layaljebran.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:me at layaljebran.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:me at layaljebran.com><mailto:me at layaljebran.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:me at layaljebran.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m also attending as an
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN fellow. I don’t believe
>>>>>>>>>> there’s an ISOC social. But we
>>>>>>>>>> can all meet, there are so many
>>>>>>>>>> ISOC-ers here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 17:16,
>>>>>>>>>> JOHN MORE <morej1 at mac.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com><mailto:morej1 at mac.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ISOC-DC also has a number
>>>>>>>>>> attending. No social I am
>>>>>>>>>> aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 5:10 PM,
>>>>>>>>>> Joly MacFie
>>>>>>>>>> <joly at punkcast.com <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:joly at punkcast.com><mailto:joly at punkcast.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ISOC-NY has three members
>>>>>>>>>> participating (that I know of)
>>>>>>>>>> in ICANN 61 - Avri Doria, Greg
>>>>>>>>>> Shatan, and Olivier
>>>>>>>>>> Crepin-Leblonde.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will there be an ISOC social?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joly MacFie 218 565
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>>>>>>>>>> <tel:%28218%29%20565-9365>
>>>>>>>>>> Skype:punkcast
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