[Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation campaign

Sun Jan 28 06:58:42 PST 2018

Hello Todd,

It has been some 2 months since your donation campaign and I am sure
everyone is very curious about the results. Would you like to share them
with the chapter-delegates list now? For instance, how much did you collect
from our members, in total and per country? These would be really
interesting numbers for all of us I think.

Thanks in advance!

Met vriendelijke groet,
Kind regards

Alexander Blom
Chairman of the Netherlands Chapter
The Netherlands

T +31 (0)71 5815620
F +31 (0)71 5815611

2017-11-28 21:02 GMT+01:00 Todd M. Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org>:

> Hello Judith, we did not send the actual email campaign messages to any
> elists, or Connect. We sent them directly to the individual member’s email
> on record in the AMS. I have communicated with Glenn on his personal
> situation and we’ve cleared that up.
>
>
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> I hope that clarifies.
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>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Todd
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> *From: *Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on
> behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
> *Organization: *Hellerstein & Associates
> *Reply-To: *"judith at jhellerstein.com" <judith at jhellerstein.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48 AM
> *To: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <chapter-delegates at elists.
> isoc.org>, Glenn Mcknight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
> campaign
>
>
>
> HI Todd,
>
> I just got one email from the Chapter delegates list on Connect and not
> the email version of it. Glenn perhaps you are only subscribed to the email
> Chapter Delegates and not the Connect version of it
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 11/28/2017 9:00 AM, Todd M. Tolbert wrote:
>
> Hi Saul,
>
>
>
> I’m confused. To my knowledge there has been exactly one email campaign
> sent (just today) about fundraising for ISOC. If you have another one,
> please forward to me as I would love to see it and investigate where it
> came from.
>
>
>
> It is not our intention to send every email (or any email other than a
> specific campaign) asking for donations. We do, however, send many
> informational emails that may ask for members to take action. But we will
> not specifically say that that action should be to donate.
>
>
>
> Only this fundraising campaign that we imagine doing twice a year would do
> so.
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>
>
> I hope that helps and look forward to receiving a forward of the email
> that you believe is asking for money.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> *From: *Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za> <saul at enetworks.co.za>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:16 AM
> *To: *Todd Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org> <tolbert at isoc.org>, Eduardo Diaz
> <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com> <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org"
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
> campaign
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I see that this campaign is continuing…
>
>
>
> I have just received another email this month (Help Shape tomorrow) asking
> for donations. The unsubscribe doesn’t give me the option of only opting
> out of only donation based email…
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>
> If every email we receive is going to be about asking for money, I can
> assure you that membership will drop (or email will just be filtered). The
> link that one is asked to click on, isn’t even encrypted L
>
> The unsubscribe option on the email also doesn’t work (or I can’t
> understand how to work it) as one is not able to check/uncheck subscription
> options…
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>
> My 2c…
>
> Saul
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> *From:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-
> bounces at elists.isoc.org <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Todd M. Tolbert
> *Sent:* 14 November 2017 04:33 PM
> *To:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
> <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
> campaign
>
>
>
> Chapter Leaders,
>
>
>
> I appreciate this comment and all the others. They are not falling on deaf
> ears, I promise.
>
>
>
> I have postponed the campaign for now. I am interested now from this
> group, what the next steps would be to get to a point where we can come to
> an agreement that this test (in some form) should be run and attempted,
> with the support of the chapters.
>
>
>
> I believe there is a Steering Committee meeting on Monday the 20th. I
> believe I return from my travels around the time that meeting is happening,
> so I will do everything in my power to be on the call.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Todd
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Todd:
>
>
>
> ISOC should start to apply to itself the same multi-stakeholder mechanisms
> that it so much promotes around the world. The Chapter Advisory Council is
> one of those mechanisms. Use it.
>
>
>
> My recommendation going forward is to send a request for advice to the
> ChAC Steering Committee and let the ball roll there. This will give ISOC
> the chapter's insights and ideas on how to move ahead with this program.
> Even if the final ChAC advice is not 100% acceptable, at least all chapters
> will be aware of the program and consulted previous to launching it.
>
>
>
> Reactions like you got from ISOC San Francisco and others (like ours) are
> an indication of how ISOC is still disconnected from its chapters.
>
>
>
> -ed
>
>
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> ISOC-PR
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> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Todd,
>
> T
>
> his campaign is the first in a long while from the Internet Society, it
> used to be a common practice and ISOC has raised money from individuals
> before. We haven’t done so in the last few years for several reasons, but
> mostly because we felt that our processes and mechanisms were not
> professional enough.
>
>
>
> No, it wasn't all about processes. The creation of a chapter in Canada
> was originally started after the 1997 INET meeting in Montreal, but was
> cancelled because of an inability to reach agreement on
> revenue/solicitation sharing between HQ and Chapters (this was before the
> PIR windfall). As a result, there was no Canada chapter until a reboot
> effort started a few years ago. Some of the people involved in that
> original effort are on the Canada Chapter board now so they know the
> history.
>
>
>
> Broadly, the concept of ISOC fundraising from members independently from
> Chapters is not new, and has been controversial when it occurred in the
> past. Perhaps the plan's designers might have encountered more of this
> information and institutional memory, had Chapters been consulted in the
> planning stages rather than after everything was finalized.
>
>
>
> Our reasons for doing this now are in line with our position as a global
> non-profit organization including diversity of our funding sources, which
> has been a stated goal of ISOC for years; to strengthen the mid and long
> term financial sustainability of the organization. And secondly, to
> maintain and strengthen the status as a non-profit organization that needs
> to meet certain rules of revenue sources.
>
>
>
> Section 2 of the ISOC bylaws state that its two advisory committees exist
> "*for the purpose of providing information and advice to the Board of
> Trustees and the President of the Internet Society on matters of strategic
> importance*". The whole reason some of us worked so hard to create a
> Chapters Advisory Council was to establish an appropriate bi-directional
> channel that would inform HQ about local sensibilities while then working
> together in international initiatives.
>
>  Think global, act local.
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>
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>
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> Surely a tax-status-related crisis of income diversity qualifies as
> 'strategic importance'. Why was the Chapters Advisory Council not asked for
> advice on this as the Bylaws explicitly indicate? Who made the call that
> this issue was not sufficiently strategic to consult Chapters in advance?
>
>
>
> Had the ChAC been approached by staff and told "we need to diversify
> revenue sources from our community", you may have discovered a breadth of
> innovative approaches. The discussion of whether it is reasonable to have a
> nominal fee for ISOC membership may have proven useful. Or you may have
> come to the exact same conclusion as you have now, but this time with
> Chapters as enthusiastic allies rather than potential competitors for the
> same sustaining funding.
>
>
>
> Consider the fundraising model used by American public broadcasting.
> Consider that PBS doesn't do any membership or individual fundraising
> campaigns without the close collaboration of WETA, its local partner in
> Washington. Having parallel national and local campaigns could be a
> disaster.
>
> It is not the intent of this campaign to divert attention from the
> chapters or try to confuse the recipient at all.
>
> As you know -- or at least know by now -- there are Chapters that charge
> for membership, and some that do their own
>
> financial 
>
> solicitations of members based on
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> local
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>  initiatives.
>
> Starting
>
>  a
>
> solicitation 
>
> program now will catch them off
>
> -
>
> guard and with very little time to determine how to work (or cope) with
> it. How can
>
> anyone
>
>  state definitively that these initiatives will not be confusing or
> competitive without having reached out to these Chapters -- either
> individually or through the Council?
>
> I believe the message will touch on the breadth and depth of what the
> community does in the world and that obviously includes the work in the
> chapters. Both messages will go out on our standard mailer format which has
> been used to this list for the entirety of 2017.
>
> At worst, this is a potential for direct conflict with some Chapters.
>
>
>
> At best, this is a missed opportunity to let the Chapters Advisory Council
> fulfill its Bylaw role as an integral part of the ISOC decision-making
> process. ISOC can't be a trusted advocate for multi-stakeholder approaches
> to Internet governance when it ignores its own internal multi-stakeholder
> structures. There is a further missed opportunity in that shutting Chapters
> out of the campaign architecture reduces the potential for a network of
> local champions once the donation campaigns are launched.
>
>
>
> To use a tennis metaphor, this is an unforced error. Not too late to fix.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Evan Leibovitch
>
> Toronto, Canada
>
> Em: evan at telly dot org
>
> Sk: evanleibovitch
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> Tw: el56
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