[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Accountability: a response to a message on the thread of making ISOC multi-stakeholder, with the subject line renamed.

Tue Apr 3 02:47:20 PDT 2018

Apologies if some may be confused by my two roles. I started a program of
livestreaming at ISOC-NY around 10 years ago, and appealed to Chapter
support to provide us, and all Chapters, with a livestream channel. It was
ok'd, as long as I managed it. Which I continue to do. At first I was paid
sporadically, but now, praise be, ISOC in their wisdom have put me under
contract. Nevertheless I have always announced the streams using the
ISOC-NY noticeboard and by personal email. 'Driving' the confusion,
perhaps.

That original channel was the old style livestream, I collaborated with
Paul Brigner during his term as North America regional manager. We switched
to the new Livestream and were able to raise our game to where I'd say we
actually can hold our own with any event service worldwide. Kits have been
distributed to the regions and mention has to go to Naveed Haq in ISOC
Asia-Pacific and Kevin Chege in ISOC Africa who have pulled off many
successful streams. Chapters that have streamed their events on the
Internet Society Livestream Channel include ISOC HK, Nepal, Bangla Desh,
Pakistan, Chennai, Gauteng, Kenya, Rwanda, England, Finland, Romania, Sri
Lanka, Trinidad & Tobago, Canada, NY, DC, SF Bay Area, Barbados, Japan,
IPNSIG and others that I will remember after I hit send on this mail.

Through this activity I have gained, as much as anyone, a window into, and
a great respect for all the work done by our chapters worldwide.

But what I know is that we have only put a mild dent in the potential
output from our growing Chapter and SIG roster. SIva is right. I do want to
inspire. I want you to say, hey we can do that too!  I am here ready to
help you with technical details. All you have to do is email
webcast at isoc.org

With new tools like zoom, social media, phones, ipads etc, streaming and
webcasting are more accessible than ever, I am here ready to help you with
technical details. All you have to do is email webcast at isoc.org with
details of your events and let's see what we can do.

joly

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Something happens every week that says "ISOC NY". Either it is an ISOC NY
> event or Joly's webcast of a useful event happening in NY or elsewhere.
> Someone mentioned about it by his own choice of  words -  "drives"-
> instead
> of saying  iISOC NY 'inspires', or 'draws attention to topics'.
>
> I have known ISOC NY for over 8 years, have met Joly once in person. There
> has never been even a hint of a suggestion from him or anyone from ISOC NY
> on what other Chapters should do;   Joly or anyone I knew from NY never
> assumed a posture of any form of leadership over any other Chapter. Despite
> its visibility ISOC NY has been a quiet Chapter.
>
> Why is there a discussion on ISOC NY now? Because someone used the word
> "drives" in referring to something about NY which is actually positive ?
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 7:06 AM JOHN MORE <morej1 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Collaboration is a core principal. Each Chapter has its own strengths
>> (and weaknesses). We are stronger together.
>>
>> John More
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Susannah Gray <susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shuli,
>>
>> On 31/03/2018 11:29, Shuli Hallak wrote:
>>
>> Hm, that’s an interesting assessment of our chapter’s activity over the
>> past year, which I do not agree with, but this response is not about what
>> NY does.
>>
>> NY certainly does not drive the other chapters. i know we’ve looked to
>> other chapters for guidance. It’s been absolutely wonderful to meet with
>> and collaborate with other chapter leaders, Susannah included, in order to
>> strengthen the roles of the chapters and ISOC’s mission as a whole. In
>> fact, I truly believe that we can and should be working more closely
>> together with our colleagues here and around the world to share best
>> practices and increase our effectiveness and reach.
>>
>>  - Exactly: I do not believe that any one chapter is - or should be -
>> leading or driving the others nor should chapters be in competition with
>> each other.
>>
>> Our mission is important, and I look forward to working with all chapter
>> leaders to do our work the best we can.
>>
>> (please excuse any typos / errors, I’m typing one handed due to a broken
>> arm).
>>
>> - Yikes: get better soon!
>>
>> Susannah
>>
>> —
>> Susannah Gray
>> President
>> San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter
>> www.sfbayisoc.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Shuli
>>
>>
>> *— *
>> Shuli Hallak
>> *Executive Director*
>> Internet Society - New York Chapter
>> http://isoc-ny.org
>>
>> +1.917.891.1520 <(917)%20891-1520> | shuli at isoc-ny.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com> wrote:
>>
>> Folks
>>
>> Susannah was right to correct this. Andrea made a good faith mistake
>> saying ISOC-NY "drives the other chapters." She's new to the chapter this
>> year, and presumably assumed the *hopes talked abou*t in the New York
>> chapter in 2018 reflected actual accomplishments. I've been a board member
>> for several years; it just isn't so.
>>
>> Actually, until a few months ago, the New York chapter hadn't even had a
>> meeting in over a year. Under our previous chapter president, the chapter
>> was all but defunct. We hadn't had a major event in years and were down to
>> fewer than 20 active members. I don't remember more than one board meeting
>> per year. In 2017, we had only one or two board meetings (the minutes are
>> unclear) and no membership meetings.
>>
>> About the only visible things that were being done were Joly doing videos
>> and me writing to this list and speaking up at ISOC events. Avri was active
>> in the Chapters committee but didn't report to the local chapter and a few
>> people went to events with ISOC funding.
>>
>> I laughed when I heard the staff had given the NY Chapter an excellent
>> rating even though we weren't having meetings, elections, or doing very
>> much. Being friendly with a few staff people paid off.
>>
>> Joly couldn't have done the videos without regular pay from ISOC and
>> they received little support from the chapter if I remember correctly. I've
>> spoken up on ISOC issues because I tilt at many windmills, and received no
>> support from the chapter to do so. (In fact, I was told to be more positive
>> about ISOC, although my facts were almost never questioned.)
>>
>> In the last year, the funding for video went up; they are great ISOC pr.
>> That may have given the impression "New York" was doing a great deal but
>> actually that was ISOC central funding a dedicated video person, not a
>> chapter activity.
>>
>> People not active in the chapter put together an interesting project, NY
>> MESH. ISOC provided $20K and the chapter is now providing "fiscal agency"
>> for a fee. That's good.
>>
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> Things started to improve when the previous president resigned and Joly
>> took over. A proposal to support Net Neutrality was pulled back in the name
>> of consensus when the acting President opposed the idea.
>>
>> The results so far are minimal but I hope that will change. In 2018,
>> we've had three board meetings that put forth many ideas. Google paid $20K
>> which funded two events.
>>
>> So I hope we'll actually lead in the future, but we haven't so far.
>>
>> Editor, http://Fastnet.news <http://fastnet.news/>
>> http://wirelessone.news http://massivemimo.rocks gfastnews.com
>> Author with Jennie Bourne  DSL (Wiley) and Web Video: Making It Great,
>> Getting It Noticed (Peachpit)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Susannah Gray <susannah.gray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>
>>> On 30/03/2018 07:59, Andrea Romaoli Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't feel the work hampered by the participation of others but a
>>> little bit control will be positive.
>>> The way ISOC is set up today allows a work oriented to local needs.
>>> I add that Chaptor NY has a greater responsibility and visibility
>>> because it drives the other chapters and brings new subjects to discuss for
>>> other instituitionscaround the world.
>>>
>>> - What do you mean by ISOC NY 'drives the other chapters'?
>>>
>>> Susannah
>>>
>>> -
>>> President
>>> San Francisco Bay Area Internet Society Chapter
>>> www.sfbayisoc.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A little bit of control is needed but volunteers  input can identify new
>>> solutions  that the meetings routine extinguishes.
>>> I don't live in the United States but I've been serving shelters in
>>> Washington for volunteering...  Well... stakeholders and member must work
>>> together
>>> There are volunteers  and stakeholder with technical ability that is
>>> helpful. But I think we should control a hight level  to maintain the
>>> quality of the discussions and close the doors to those demagogues who do
>>> nothing but just wish put their name in the highlightner
>>>
>>> ANDRÉA ROMAOLI GARCIA
>>> OABSP 332.542
>>> Director ISOC-NY
>>> ICANN Latin American and Caribbean
>>> United Nations NY
>>> +55 14 99162-3774 <+55%2014%2099162-3774>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:37, Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While ISOC has been successful, we do not know if the current structure
>>>> has contributed to that success, or if ISOC could have been more successful
>>>> if member-driven.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed. We can not possibly deny that ICANN would be more successful
>>> nor assert that it would be less successful in a member-driven scenario.
>>> What I said was that it worked.
>>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I agree with Dave completely, the reality is giving members
>>>> control is contrary to the founding documents and formal structure of
>>>> ISOC.  ISOC is not, and never has been, a community of members, or
>>>> democratic.  It is a Trust, organised around managing a perpetual flow of
>>>> income.  Members do not contribute to that income, and are therefore
>>>> powerless.  Article V.1 states “Individual members shall not have any
>>>> voting rights with respect to the Society.”
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The founding documents probably did not anticipate ISOC to take shape
>>> as a Community with several hundred 'volunteers' of good Technical and
>>> Policy expertise. ISOC unwittingly imparts the impression of a Community
>>> driven organization, and it is this perception that renders credibility to
>>> ISOC's policy advice.
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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