[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain

Mon Sep 25 10:32:38 PDT 2017

Seun –

Frederic Donck has put out a statement on this last Thursday:  https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/

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From: Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 at 1:19 PM
To: "daveb at dslprime.com" <daveb at dslprime.com>
Cc: "chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain

Hello, 

As I understand this, domains within .cat are not yet as impacted as the tangible assets within .cat registry. Various diverging opinions on both sides are out there hence it's a little fuzzy and controversial. However, I want to hope that the ISOC local chapter have provided accurate report to ISOC global as they are in the best position to update on such details.

Maybe I would be a little bit concerned if ICANN was doing this but I think ISOC may not be fulfilling some of her objectives if she keeps silent. While we are at it, may I remind us that a clear and uncontroversial Internet shutdown is happening in Togo, will be good to ferry that 3k(or more) to them to achieve similar purpose as well. 

Regards

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Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Sep 25, 2017 5:44 PM, "Dave Burstein" <daveb at dslprime.com> wrote:

The Spanish government is hijacking the domain name service to take over selected domains in .cat. This is the most serious DNS takeover for political reasons I've ever encountered. 

So while Brandt is correct this isn't the same thing as blocking the Internet, this is very serious. It's exactly what some feared would happen if the ITU had more power.

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The interesting question is what should ISOC do besides putting out a statement?

I suggest immediately allocating $3,000 to be spent by the local chapter to publicize our stand. That would cover $1,000 for a hotel room for a press conference, $1,000 for a local publicist, and $1,000 for related expenses. All to be carefully reported and returned if not used. 

Two reasons to do things this way: 

1) It will be far more credible if led by local people.

2) Our last few stands on related issues got minimal pickup. We're not set up to have impact from D.C. In this case, like the Brazilian one, we clearly have local chapters who can get the word out.

Dave Burstein

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Brandt Dainow <brandt.dainow at gmail.com> wrote:

I think it is important to nuance this issue.  The court order was not really about blocking the internet.  It was part of the government's attempts to prevent publication, in print or online, about the referendum.  Other people have been arrested, such as printers and people who were going to distribute ballot papers.  So the government is not so much blocking the internet as blocking a certain type of information in all its forms.  Not blocking it on the internet would have been, in this sense, inconsistent - effectively saying "no" to hard copy, but "yes" to online versions.  Also, this court order only applied to the .cat domain, not to other internet sources.

I am not defending the government's postion here, but I don't think we can see this as a simple case of blocking the internet, and I think ISOC should be extremely cautious about getting involved.  The spanish government's position is that the referendum is illegal and they have a duty to prevent it.  Objecting to blocking internet access without objecting to the other government activity is like saying the normal rules about what is illegal or not shouldn't be applied to the internet. 

On 25 September 2017 at 14:23, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> wrote:

To some extent it is irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted
blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The principles that underpin
ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld registry and
underlying infrastructures that was so treated.

The issue is serious.  But I'm not sure how far this particular incident
can continue to travel in the wrong direction.

To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional pollution where spanish
authorities may issue european arrest warrants on technical managers of
parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers are identified already
by law enforcement and security interests in UK for instance)?

It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove to arresting
authorities such warrants from another jurisdiction are not warranted or
politically motivated.

C

vinton cerf wrote:
> they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan language and culture.
> ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they had any
> objections and both responded that they did not object.
>
> v
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr Pastukhov
> <opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt
> <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt>> wrote:
>
>     Hello all,
>
>     Could someone please enlighten me on how they managed to get their
>     own TLD in the first place?
>
>     Thank you,
>
>     Alex
>
>
>     On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>>
>>     Dan, thanks for the information. I  propose all ISOC chapters to
>>     express  a support to
>>     Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in preventing political
>>     intervention in providing
>>     basic Internet services like TLD blocking. TLD "CAT" is
>>     recognized and available
>>     for many years and blocking the  services and websites with that
>>     domain is not acceptable at all,
>>     especially not in EU where human rights where access to Internet
>>     is recognizes as part of
>>     them by UN,  is respected as the highest value of the European
>>     society.
>>
>>     With regards,
>>
>>     Borka
>>
>>     ISOC SI
>>
>>     Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017 ob 18:44 napisal:
>>>     It's a good statement.
>>>
>>>     Worth also mentioning and keeping in mind that Pep Masoliver the
>>>     technical manager for the registry operator of .cat was arrested
>>>     during
>>>     the raid by the Guardia Civile. This means the event has more
>>>     serious
>>>     implications for the technical community than if this was a
>>>     comparatively simple case of attempted or actual content
>>>     blocking by the
>>>     Spanish authorities of some or all catalan websites.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Christian
>>>
>>>     Dan York wrote:
>>>>     Chapter delegates,
>>>>
>>>>     FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our concern
>>>>     about
>>>>     measures taken in Spain to block access to certain websites and,
>>>>     perhaps more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD)
>>>>     operator
>>>>     to engage in content monitoring and blocking.
>>>>
>>>>     This is a tense time politically in Spain with an independence
>>>>     referendum having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia
>>>>     region
>>>>     which the central Spanish government views as illegal. We do
>>>>     not want
>>>>     to get involved in the politics of the situation, but are
>>>>     concerned by
>>>>     the manner in which the Internet is being restricted. As we have
>>>>     repeatedly stated, we do not see Internet blocking / shutdowns as
>>>>     effective measures and believe they cause far more collateral
>>>>     damage
>>>>     to the economy and society.
>>>>
>>>>     Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric Donck
>>>>     and
>>>>     his European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC Catalonia
>>>>     Chapter leaders to understand the situation there.
>>>>
>>>>     Please do read and share our statement:
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
>>>>     <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/
>>>>     <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>     <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336>
>>>>     https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239 <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Regards,
>>>>     Dan
>>>>
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