[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain

Mon Oct 2 02:03:04 PDT 2017

Dear colleagues,

Thank you very much for all your messages of support. Yesterday in
Catalonia we lived one of the saddest days in Europe in recent times. The
violation of the basic human rights has gone much more beyond the Internet
censorship.

At the Catalan Chapter we'll be always working to condemn the violation of
ISOC principles and support the European democratic values even if the go
against certain legal frameworks.

Warmest regards and thanks again for your support.

Magí Lluch-Ariet
President of the Catalan Chapter

2017-10-02 4:05 GMT+02:00 Yohanes Sumaryo <sumaryo at gmail.com>:

> Our deepest concern to what happen in ISOC Catalonia.
> Hope all end well.
>
> Best Regards
> Yohanes Sumaryo
> ISOC Jakarta Chapter
> Gen Secretary
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 3:20 AM, "Ariel Manoff" <amanoff at vmf.com.ar> wrote:
>
>> Dear Brandt,
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that the exaggerated nationalisms are very dangerous. On
>> the other hand I believe that the formation of new chapters belonging to
>> minorities or other regional groups are healthy for the Internet ecosystem
>> and we should support the formation of new chapters without producing
>> overlapping.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hector
>>
>>
>>
>> *Héctor Ariel Manoff*
>>
>> *Vitale, Manoff & Feilbogen*Viamonte 1145 10º Piso
>> C1053ABW Buenos Aires
>> República Argentina
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>> *De:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org]
>> *En nombre de *Brandt Dainow
>> *Enviado el:* viernes, 29 de septiembre de 2017 07:39
>> *Para:* 'Thomas Lowenhaupt'; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> *Asunto:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet
>> blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Consultation with only the Catalan chapter, and no other chapter in Spain
>> is clearly inadequate, and possibly even rude to the Spanish chapter.
>> There is an obvious difference of opinion over the referendum in Spain, and
>> I assume there are ISOC members who hold sincere beliefs on both sides.  To
>> speak to only one party and not others is, at best, politically naïve.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a resident of Ireland, I have been personally caught up in 5 IRA bomb
>> attacks.  Everyone in Ireland is personally worried about the possibility
>> of a renewal of IRA terrorism.  We all work hard to avoid a return to “the
>> troubles,” as we call those times.  We understand that these could be
>> triggered by many things which an outsider would consider perfectly
>> innocent.  You have to live in Ireland to appreciate the intense
>> sensitivity and how close we all are to a return to violence.  I am not
>> exaggerating when I say the formation of an Irish-language ISOC chapter in
>> Northern Ireland could lead to people being murdered.  The situation really
>> is that sensitive.  I am sure there are many ISOC members whose countries
>> are in a similarly sensitive position.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I see it, at minimum, ISOC needs to permit anyone who is interested to
>> participate in authorisation of any chapter anywhere, and we need
>> consistent, documented, processes for this.  Alternatively, we need to base
>> regional chapter formations on boundaries created outside ISOC so that such
>> decisions are out of our control.  For example, limiting chapters to nation
>> states recognised by the UN.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many places in the world subject to forces seeking to break
>> existing states; many regions seeking independence, many cultural and
>> language groups seeking better representation.  In some countries, merely
>> identifying a sub-group as existing is controversial or illegal.  As the
>> internet becomes more central to global society, it becomes a place for
>> political contention.  The formation of an ISOC chapter can be used as part
>> of a political campaign by such groups.  I think it extremely dangerous if
>> ISOC becomes another tool in such campaigns.  Clearly ISOC cannot take
>> sides in such campaigns, no matter how justified some members may feel
>> about any given group’s claims.  I am open to alternative suggestions, and
>> only seek to start a conversation, but I think it clear the whole ISOC
>> chapter formation process needs to be reworked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Brandt Dainow
>>
>> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
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>>
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>>
>> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-boun
>> ces at elists.isoc.org <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Thomas Lowenhaupt
>> *Sent:* 29 September 2017 03:35
>> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on
>> Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
>>
>>
>>
>> The .cat evolution is something I’ve followed for over a decade. As a
>> proponent of city TLDs and an advocate for the .nyc TLD, the process that
>> enabled .cat’s issuance intrigued me.
>>
>>
>>
>> The ICANN perspective on .cat’s issuance was cogently expressed by Vint,
>> “ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they had any
>> objections and both responded that they did not object.” Today, as the
>> Iberian Peninsular smoulders, I’ll comment only on the .cat issuance
>> process, noting that ‘non-objection’ is too weak a form of approval.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having witnessed how ill-prepared New York City was for the development
>> of the .nyc TLD, I’ve urged over the past few years at several ICANN fora
>> that ‘informed consent’ be adopted as the standard for approval of
>>  geographic and cultural TLDs. Seemingly to little avail.
>>
>>
>>
>> The .cat situation makes it apparent that ICANN is playing with fire when
>> they issue geographic and cultural TLDs. Had they not been distracted
>> fighting various wars, I suspect .Kurds would have been issued and now be
>> playing a central role in a new regional realignment, with its impact
>> measured by battlefield statistics.
>>
>>
>>
>> If ICANN can't institute responsible issuance standards for geographic
>> and cultural TLDs, perhaps its time to remove these life and death digital
>> resources from its purview.
>>
>> Tom Lowenhaupt
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> On 9/22/2017 11:43 AM, Dan York wrote:
>>
>> Chapter delegates,
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our concern about
>> measures taken in Spain to block access to certain websites and, perhaps
>> more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD) operator to engage in
>> content monitoring and blocking.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a tense time politically in Spain with an independence referendum
>> having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia region which the central
>> Spanish government views as illegal. We do not want to get involved in the
>> politics of the situation, but are concerned by the manner in which the
>> Internet is being restricted. As we have repeatedly stated, we do not see
>> Internet blocking / shutdowns as effective measures and believe they cause
>> far more collateral damage to the economy and society.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric Donck and his
>> European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC Catalonia Chapter
>> leaders to understand the situation there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please do read and share our statement:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/interne
>> t-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/
>> declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-
>> internet-en-cataluna-espana/
>>
>>
>>
>> Shared on social at:
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>> https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan York
>> Senior Manager, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society
>> york at isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624 <(802)%20735-1624>
>> Jabber: york at jabber.isoc.org  Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork
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>> http://www.internetsociety.org/
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