[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain

Sun Oct 1 19:05:33 PDT 2017

Our deepest concern to what happen in ISOC Catalonia.
Hope all end well.

Best Regards
Yohanes Sumaryo
ISOC Jakarta Chapter
Gen Secretary

On Oct 2, 2017 3:20 AM, "Ariel Manoff" <amanoff at vmf.com.ar> wrote:

> Dear Brandt,
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> I agree with you that the exaggerated nationalisms are very dangerous. On
> the other hand I believe that the formation of new chapters belonging to
> minorities or other regional groups are healthy for the Internet ecosystem
> and we should support the formation of new chapters without producing
> overlapping.
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> Hector
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> *Héctor Ariel Manoff*
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> *De:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org]
> *En nombre de *Brandt Dainow
> *Enviado el:* viernes, 29 de septiembre de 2017 07:39
> *Para:* 'Thomas Lowenhaupt'; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> *Asunto:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet
> blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
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> +1
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> Consultation with only the Catalan chapter, and no other chapter in Spain
> is clearly inadequate, and possibly even rude to the Spanish chapter.
> There is an obvious difference of opinion over the referendum in Spain, and
> I assume there are ISOC members who hold sincere beliefs on both sides.  To
> speak to only one party and not others is, at best, politically naïve.
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> As a resident of Ireland, I have been personally caught up in 5 IRA bomb
> attacks.  Everyone in Ireland is personally worried about the possibility
> of a renewal of IRA terrorism.  We all work hard to avoid a return to “the
> troubles,” as we call those times.  We understand that these could be
> triggered by many things which an outsider would consider perfectly
> innocent.  You have to live in Ireland to appreciate the intense
> sensitivity and how close we all are to a return to violence.  I am not
> exaggerating when I say the formation of an Irish-language ISOC chapter in
> Northern Ireland could lead to people being murdered.  The situation really
> is that sensitive.  I am sure there are many ISOC members whose countries
> are in a similarly sensitive position.
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> As I see it, at minimum, ISOC needs to permit anyone who is interested to
> participate in authorisation of any chapter anywhere, and we need
> consistent, documented, processes for this.  Alternatively, we need to base
> regional chapter formations on boundaries created outside ISOC so that such
> decisions are out of our control.  For example, limiting chapters to nation
> states recognised by the UN.
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> There are many places in the world subject to forces seeking to break
> existing states; many regions seeking independence, many cultural and
> language groups seeking better representation.  In some countries, merely
> identifying a sub-group as existing is controversial or illegal.  As the
> internet becomes more central to global society, it becomes a place for
> political contention.  The formation of an ISOC chapter can be used as part
> of a political campaign by such groups.  I think it extremely dangerous if
> ISOC becomes another tool in such campaigns.  Clearly ISOC cannot take
> sides in such campaigns, no matter how justified some members may feel
> about any given group’s claims.  I am open to alternative suggestions, and
> only seek to start a conversation, but I think it clear the whole ISOC
> chapter formation process needs to be reworked.
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>
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> Regards,
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> Brandt Dainow
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> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
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> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
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> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
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> *From:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-
> bounces at elists.isoc.org <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Thomas Lowenhaupt
> *Sent:* 29 September 2017 03:35
> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet
> blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
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> The .cat evolution is something I’ve followed for over a decade. As a
> proponent of city TLDs and an advocate for the .nyc TLD, the process that
> enabled .cat’s issuance intrigued me.
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> The ICANN perspective on .cat’s issuance was cogently expressed by Vint,
> “ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they had any
> objections and both responded that they did not object.” Today, as the
> Iberian Peninsular smoulders, I’ll comment only on the .cat issuance
> process, noting that ‘non-objection’ is too weak a form of approval.
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> Having witnessed how ill-prepared New York City was for the development of
> the .nyc TLD, I’ve urged over the past few years at several ICANN fora that
> ‘informed consent’ be adopted as the standard for approval of  geographic
> and cultural TLDs. Seemingly to little avail.
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> The .cat situation makes it apparent that ICANN is playing with fire when
> they issue geographic and cultural TLDs. Had they not been distracted
> fighting various wars, I suspect .Kurds would have been issued and now be
> playing a central role in a new regional realignment, with its impact
> measured by battlefield statistics.
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> If ICANN can't institute responsible issuance standards for geographic and
> cultural TLDs, perhaps its time to remove these life and death digital
> resources from its purview.
>
> Tom Lowenhaupt
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> On 9/22/2017 11:43 AM, Dan York wrote:
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> Chapter delegates,
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> FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our concern about
> measures taken in Spain to block access to certain websites and, perhaps
> more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD) operator to engage in
> content monitoring and blocking.
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> This is a tense time politically in Spain with an independence referendum
> having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia region which the central
> Spanish government views as illegal. We do not want to get involved in the
> politics of the situation, but are concerned by the manner in which the
> Internet is being restricted. As we have repeatedly stated, we do not see
> Internet blocking / shutdowns as effective measures and believe they cause
> far more collateral damage to the economy and society.
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> Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric Donck and his
> European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC Catalonia Chapter
> leaders to understand the situation there.
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> Please do read and share our statement:
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> https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/
> internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
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> https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/
> 2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-
> bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/
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> Shared on social at:
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> https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
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> https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
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> Regards,
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> Dan
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