[Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement

Wed Aug 2 07:47:42 PDT 2017

Hi to all:

I have to agree with Glenn on this point. We in ISOC-PR support local
issues where we feel we can have an impact and are related to local
Internet issues. On the other side, we do not involve our organization in
political issues or issues that might be against ISOC Global mission.

Again, the MOU is a guideline that sets the pace for how Chapters can get
involved.  My understanding that it is not something written in stone
requiring a Chapter to meet "all" points.

My 2cents!

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On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi
> Perhaps I am missing something here, I don't think the MOU wants to put
> the chapters in harms-way but rather local spokespersons on local Internet
> issues.  Clearly the locals know the political climate in their own
> countries and need to function with discretion.
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> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Amir Qayyum <qayyum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I missed this point initially ... Thanks Siva and Brandt for raising
>> it in explicit words.
>>
>> For our Islamabad Chapter, even a slight reference to "lobbying" for a
>> foreign entity will create lot of opposition and hurdles for us, and
>> will make it very difficult to operate locally.
>>
>> Amir
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Very pertinent observation. In India, it would get Chapters in a
>> > dangerous situation. First of all, speaking for the India Chennai
>> > Chapter alone, I would NOT agree at all to any expectations of
>> > lobbying for any position by ISOC. What we do at Chennai is to broadly
>> > understand the Internet Society's mission, which we agree with fully,
>> > and work ON OUR OWN, in our own ways, independently on position and
>> > projects that would further the evolution of the Internet along the
>> > lines. Drop the idea of expecting Chapters to lobby for positions that
>> > invariably emerge mostly from Staff deliberations.
>> >
>> > --- Sivasubramanain M
>> >
>> >>
>> >> To be balanced, there should be some reciprocal reaching out by
>> central office - such as better communication and listening to chapters.
>> For example, this document should have been put to the chapters as a
>> discussion document for feedback months before it was finalised.  The fact
>> it was not indicates ISOC is anti-democratic, and run by a small central
>> group who, in my view, have failed to recognise ISOC is not the same type
>> of organisation as it was 10-20 years ago.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Brandt Dainow
>> >> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>> >> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-boun
>> ces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Alan Levin
>> >> Sent: 02 August 2017 08:56
>> >> To: Joyce Dogniez; ISOC Chapter Delegates; chapter-support at isoc.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>> On 31 Jul 2017, at 12:06 PM, Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org> wrote:
>> >>> With the increased financial support to our Chapters we also have an
>> increased responsibility and accountability towards our community. It is
>> the responsibility of Internet Society s leadership to manage its funds in
>> a responsible and transparent manner.
>> >>> This implies that the legal relationship between Internet Society and
>> its Chapters needs to be well defined.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for this. I think it s very good!  Well done Joyce and others :)
>> >>
>> >>>   Purpose of Chapter.
>> >>> The purpose of the Chapter shall be to support the Internet Society s
>> vision, mission, and operating principles in the Territory.
>> >>
>> >> I agree that this is one purpose of the Internet Society of South
>> Africa, and the purpose of this agreement :)
>> >>
>> >> One of our primary purposes as an association of Internet Society
>> members, is to participate in the ICT policy making processes in our
>> country. Another purpose is to assist our colleagues in other countries
>> with their policy making in that country.
>> >>
>> >> We have asked for over a decade for global support on national policy
>> making activities. I have suggested that a policy analyst who can compare
>> various trending policies to be able to provide us with important
>> international data about other policies in other countries of similar
>> nature. For example we have a Cybersecurity Bill in our Parliamentary
>> process and it will be invaluable to see an analysis of it s components
>> compared to other countries that have already been through that process,
>> ideally not a US centric or  North  view, something neutral would be ideal.
>> >>
>> >> So regards this section:
>> >>> Internet Society Support.
>> >>> The Internet Society will provide the following support to the
>> chapters in accordance with ISOC s annual business plan:
>> >>
>> >> I suggest again that we need support from ISOC Global to provide a
>> global policy analyst to assist with support on National Policy Making
>> activities. This should not be a local activity, it s not regional, it's a
>> global policy analyst  activity need that we have had for decades. Please
>> help !
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Alan Levin
>> >> ISOC-ZA
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