[Chapter-delegates] IGF Ambassadorship Open

Wed Jul 13 04:48:38 PDT 2016

I think that categories are being mixed.  There should be support for the creation of the next generation of leaders.  There also should be support for long-term leaders.  Probably better not to include them in the same program. 

John More
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It is important to move away from the tendency to exclude long term ISOC participants. Inclusion, in SIGNIFICANT number, of the long term participants would ensure the continuation of independent and diverse community perspectives, ensure a fair reflection of Chapter and member perspectives in ISOC policy positions. Also, it would make it possible for the next generation of ISOC and IG participants to be inspired and mentored by long term Chapter leaders of commitment to the Internet.
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> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill at hill-a.ch>> wrote:
> I will input this to the ChAC Steering Committee.
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> Best,
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> From: Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org <>] On Behalf Of Hosein Badran
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> To: Olga Cavalli; Sivasubramanian M
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> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] IGF Ambassadorship Open
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> Dear All,
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> following this great discussion, I would like to  propose that the Ch Advisory  working group takes a close look at the various initiatives offered by ISOC, targeted at helping chapters on capacity building for IG, not only the NextGen Leaders and IGF Ambassador programs.
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> This will shed light on the existence and value of these initiatives, and help address potential improvement areas.
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> Raul has listed many os these - thanks a lot Raul, and I am sure ISOC staff can provide further information as needed.
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> I am happy to contribute in this effort if needed.
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> While I fully support programs aimed at specifically young potential leaders, other programs should allow the full membership to gain benefit.
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> All the best,
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> Hosein Badran. 
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> From: olgacavalli at gmail.com <>
> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:00:54 -0300
> To: isolatedn at gmail.com <>
> CC: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] IGF Ambassadorship Open
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> Thanks Siva,
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> you read my mind!
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> There is a strong support to the idea that the rules should be revised, specially the limit of the 40+
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> Hopefuly this will be taken in consideration.
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> Regards to all
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> 2016-07-12 17:30 GMT-03:00 Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com <>>:
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> Surprised that after all this discussion on the list, the criteria remains rigid as framed.
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> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Laurie Patton <ceo at internet.org.au <>> wrote:
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> So you are only interested in new leaders if they are under 40 then?
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> Thanks for making me feel so welcome!
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> On 8 Jul 2016, at 16:26, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com <>> wrote:
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> +1 Alejandro,
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> The IGF Ambassadors program is under the Next Generation Leaders Programme, 
> https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme <https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme>
> It makes full sense to target younger potential applicants. 
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> Interesting to see many of those got involved into the Next Generation Leaders progarmme are leaders in their respective positions.
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> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com <>> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> before everybody gets carried away... has anyone under 40 complained about ageism yet?
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> This policy was established with several purposes and some of them at least have been fulfilled successfully.
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> The premise is that a call based only on grounds of merit and experience has a strong incentive to end up selecting largely the same set of people again and again, in a self-reinfocing feedback cycle. (who has more experience and more extensive networks than those who have attended most meetings?
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> Fresh insights and new people have to come into our system.
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> The policy of selecting under-40's has been very successful at least in our chapter. The members who have attended workshops, IGFs, IETF, and ICANN meetings have not only acquired knowledge and experience but also networks of their own, with a younger generation as well as with the old, with grassroots as well as with staff. Bringing in insights about today's Internet and looking into its future, strongly committed, highly motivated.. just what we were 15 or 20 years ago!!
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> Now thanks to the policy we have a small group, in our case three layers deep, of people who can and *will* take the reins of the Chapter in the near future. So ISOC's pro-under-40 policy is actually helping our succession planning - isnt' that a major responsibility we have in chapters? - for free! 
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> Do we have a problem left to deal with in funding participation for the most experienced members? yes, no doubt. Olga, you are now a Trustee, it's upon you (you have the power to change the things you do not like and to deliver on the promise your statement implies), and on whoever succeeds you very soon in your position in the Chapter Advisory Council as well.)  (I'm sure the CHAC is also considering this issue.)
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> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, David Vyorst <dvyorst at gmail.com <>> wrote:
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> +1
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> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris at gmail.com <>> wrote:
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> Thank you very much Glenn,
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> Have the same feeling, for the ones over 50 , that actually have to work hard to make the local IGF a reality, with almost no help from the former fellows is discouraging. Hope this changes, not only in ISOC, but in some other I Organizations, where it is not written, but at the end is the main criteria. 
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> El Thursday, July 7, 2016, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <>> escribió:
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> The call for IGF Ambassadors has opened for  IGF Mexico.
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> Selection criteria
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> IGF Ambassadorships are for young Internet Society members who have a strong interest in the issues and themes of the IGF. Ambassadorship awards are available for first-time and returning ambassadors. Selection for the Ambassadorships is competitive. All applicants must be: 
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> between the ages of 20 and 40
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> able to present a strong motivation for attending the IGF meeting
> able to demonstrate interest and expertise in issues on the IGF agenda
> able to demonstrate experience in leading Internet governance discussions at the international level and in multi-cultural environments
> capable of appropriately represent the Internet Society and its views and policies as an Ambassador during the IGF
> capable of  continuing to work with the Internet Society locally after the IGF.
> I am curious  how  the  Internet is for  Everyone, but why does  ISOC  continues to limit the ambassadors to under 40 years old.   Interesting since  ARIN  Fellowship or  ICANN has removed this obvious discrimination against dedicated volunteers
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> I wonder how many previous candidates actually worked with the local chapters after the IGF.  
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> Recently at  ICANN  we reviewed all the fellows based upon their  self-identified sectors and countries and the bias has been for  World Least Developed economies- this has meant that  US  territories in the South Pacific,  first Nations,  poor and rural  Americans  were not eligible.  We have stated for  years that this is unfair to  Canadian and US  first nations/indigenous ( can be treated as independent tribal governments) .  ICANN is now  reexamining their criteria with a noteworthy change to allow first nations people to participate.  
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> Does anyone else feel  that  ISOC's  ambassador program suffers from ageism?
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