[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

[Nadira Alaraj]

Thanks Klaus for your clarification,
Yes, I miss understood,  I thought ISC are watching over and against their
government practices.

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On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Klaus Birkenbihl <Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de>
wrote:

> Sorry Nadira - I'm afraid you got me wrong. What I'm saying is we should
> not ignore them and work with them because they are important. But as long
> as one of their kernel tasks is to supervise censorship and blocking - i.e.
> crippling the net- they should NOT be part of ISOC. This would jeopardize
> our credibility in fighting for an open and equally accessible Internet.
>
> Best, Klaus
>
> Nadira Alaraj schrieb am 24.02.2016 um 12:58:
> > Oh Klaus, you took the words from me,
> > because I was going to write,
> > for the Internet society it would be much cheaper and more inclusive if
> Internet Society of China to be an Internet Society chapter. Particularity
> now ISC is in the process of being in the At-large structure.
> > Historically talking and most of the chapters created in the developing
> countries did emerge either through government or private sector affiliated
> bodies.
> > The Internet Society could distance itself from the political scene of
> its host country and open up globally.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Nadira Alaraj
> > Vice chairperson
> > Palestine Chapter
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Klaus Birkenbihl <
> Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de <mailto:Klaus.Birkenbihl at isoc.de>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     JOHN MORE schrieb am 23.02.2016 um 15:00:
> >     > +1. And this is not intended to attack Internet Society China,
> which to my knowledge has not attempted to mislead or misuse its name. It
> is about protecting not only ISOC, but all the Chapters and individuals who
> share the Internet Society's vision and name.
> >
> >     Well (I stated this before in a mail that presumably got lost): I
> remember ISOC.DE <http://ISOC.DE> and a some other chapters met 2003 with
> a delegation from Internet Society China in 2003. They were on a lobbying
> tour seeking support to become recognized as an ISOC chapter. So there is
> (at least was) an interest to be seen as an ISOC chapter.
> >
> >     Things I learned during the few month I spent in China working for
> W3C:
> >
> >     1 ISC runs CNNIC.
> >     2 ISC is established as an Internet companies association.
> >     3 ISC is a government watchdog supervising service providers and
> Internet companies wrt to conformance to blocking/censorship and other
> regulations (“self-disciplinary regulations”).
> >     4 ISC was very successful in growing and accelerating Internet
> throughout China.
> >
> >     Though ISC is beneficial for Internet in China in many ways - item 3
> IMHO disqualifies them from becoming in whatever way affiliated with ISOC.
> >
> >     This said: ISC is one of the most important players in the Internet,
> supervising provision of Internet access for nearly 10% of the global
> population. We have to talk with them and look for opportunities to
> cooperate.
> >
> >     As far as trademark is concerned: the China Trademark Office lists
> 中国互联网协会 which translates to Internet Society of China (in 3 different
> classes, whatever that means). I doubt it would generate any benefit to
> raise a trademark issue in this case.
> >
> >     Best, Klaus
> >
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