[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China
Chester Soong
chester at soong.net
Sun Feb 21 18:05:27 PST 2016
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Dear All,
I have little choice but to agree with Alejandro's comments below. ISC
of China does not represent the views of the general Internet users in
China. If they do represent any view of anyone at all, it will be the
government's or the CP's view I am afraid.
Regards,
Chester
On 2/22/2016 2:01 AM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the issue of "Internet Society of China" runs much deeper than
> trademarks and other possible forms of intellectual property over the
> name. The key issue is the nature of the organization - and
> unfortunately that leads to the nature of decision making in APRALO too.
>
> The ISC is *not* a self-standing, membership-driven or cause-oriented
> NGO comparable to most if not all chapters of ISOC, and ISOC itself. It
> is a policy branch of organizations driven from the top or at least
> which are force to toe (not tow, Alan) the party lilne. The analogy
> between a "party line" in ISOC and a party line in China is laughable.
>
> It is very difficult - from past experience at least - to say that ISC
> carries the voice of at-large, general Internet users of China and thus
> is a legitimate At Large Structure as defined withiin the At-Large space
> of ICANN. On the other hand, the APRALO leadership has often been seen
> to act in ways that are consistent with the interpretation that they
> consider it necessary to yield to power- and other geopolitically-based
> considerations.
>
> I hope some Asia-Pacific chapters which are also ALSs can deliver
> whatever results from a discussion in this space to the APRALO
> leadership. Unfortunately it will be very difficult to revert this
> decision even if it is proven wrong.
>
> (I'm open to new information about recent changes in ISC that could
> upturn the above, of course.)
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Eric Burger
> <eburger at standardstrack.com <mailto:eburger at standardstrack.com>> wrote:
>
> Also, trademarks are by their nature national. To protect the brand,
> ISOC (ours) would need to register is lots and lots of countries.
> That may not be possible from a legal perspective in all countries
> and is unquestionably cost prohibitive to register in many countries.
>
> As for isoctoronto.org <http://isoctoronto.org>, it looks like a
> phishing site. That might violate .ORG terms of service. I’ll ask.
>
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com
>> <mailto:gregor at arminco.com>> wrote:
>>
>> In some countries NGOs have no rights to have any foreign
>> supervisor (may be there is a more correct word, which describes
>> relationship of ISOC and its Chapters )
>> structure, any dependance is prohibited. If ISC is in such
>> situation, it is better to find a solution for thier case, it is
>> not a simple question.
>> Grigori Saghyan
>> ISOC.AM <http://ISOC.AM>
>>
>> On 21.02.2016 18:15, Glenn McKnight wrote:
>>> Hi Folks
>>> Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil society
>>> organization called Internet Society China into the ALS
>>> membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter.
>>>
>>> I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that
>>> confuse the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter. But
>>> no one has taken notice.
>>>
>>> I have been notified ISOC that the
>>> <http://www.isoctoronto.org/>www.isoctoronto.org
>>> <http://www.isoctoronto.org/> has been a rogue site for a
>>> few years I am including a screencapture of the registration
>>> page they have people falsely add their information.
>>> We need to have a process of dealing with these type of false
>>> or rogue sites that misinform the public. Since ISOC is
>>> branding itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a
>>> blind eye to this situation we have a problem.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Glenn McKnight
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>> skype gmcknight
>>> twitter gmcknight
>>> .
>>>
>>>
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