[Chapter-delegates] ISOC-NY President Resigns

Fri Apr 8 07:37:48 PDT 2016

Very useful Richard, thank you!

I would just move up #3. to number one overarching priority in this 
discussion.

All my comments/complaints were direct to the local activities and 
membership work.

While there is great support and money for international/regional 
activities, it is very hard to convince local volunteers for local 
project who don´t get to travel internationally to IGFs and more 
exclusive Face2Face meetings.

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On 8 Apr 2016, at 8:28, Richard Hill wrote:

> Dear Raul,
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> Thank you for this good summary.
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> As I mentioned previously, I would like to bring this discussion to 
> the attention of the Chapters Advisory Committee, so I have prepared a 
> summary of the discussion, which I attach.
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> To all the list members: please let me know if you would like to 
> correct or add anything to the attached.
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> Thanks and best,
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> Richard
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> From: Chapter-delegates 
> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Raul 
> Echeberria
> Sent: vendredi, 8. avril 2016 16:15
> To: Chapter Delegates
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC-NY President Resigns
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> Dear colleagues:
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> There are different things we are discussing here in this thread.
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> Some chapters would like to have support for basic expenses related to 
> keeping the organization legally functional,
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> Others’ priorities are to get some kind of administrative support.
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> Others have raised the issue of their need of management tools that in 
> some cases could be solved through in-kind contributions.
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> Capacity building related to chapters management, recruiting members 
> and other things, have been also mentioned.
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> Finally there is a natural expectation to receive support for 
> outreach, engagement and policy activities.
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> As I said before, this is a matter of setting priorities. Some things 
> can be affordable and others not.
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> This discussion is very helpful and very rich in ideas that come up. 
> Some of you suggested to advance this discussion in the Chapters 
> Advisory Council and its Steering Committee. I think that’s a great 
> idea.
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> I was talking with Avri here in Buenos Aires about that and I saw also 
> that Richard is also seeing how to translate the discussion to the CAC 
> Steering Committee.
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> I think that that would be a great step forward in identifying the 
> best ways we can support the work of the chapters and their 
> contribution to the achievement of our goals, mission and vision.
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> Best,
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> Raúl
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> El 8 abr. 2016, a las 10:24 a.m., Glenn McKnight 
> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> escribió:
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> Hi Folks
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> Lets  be clear.   David's  work  bridged two worlds.  Outreach and 
> Engagement and the face of ISOC NY  which was the first  chapter that 
> most  Canadians joined in the absence of a ISOC Canada chapter over 
> four years ago.   The other tasks and responsibility was the mundane 
> and boring stuff. ie. administration
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> He and others  can't do both jobs and it's unreasonable to expect 
> anyone to do both.
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> Another  issue.  I brought up the need for chapters to have funds to 
> pay for  Officers and Director  Errors and Omission Insurance and  
> proper Liability insurance for events,  an annual  financial 
> review/audit.   These are real  expenses and a mark of  professional 
> organization but  when I mentioned these things  I got shot down 
> saying we don't have any MONEY.   If you don't do these proper things  
> you will  be  SUED  as a director.  How can you recruit new board 
> members/counsellors ( whatever you call yourself) if you do  public  
> events and speak out on Internet issues. Any organization is at risk 
> of  litigation.
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> My checklist for a chapter
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> 1. Proper accounting system
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> 2. Good  CMS
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> 3. Good Website and online payment system for membership
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> 4. Collateral material
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> 5. Banners and promotional stuff
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> 6. Active committees
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> 7. Active participation with  ISOC  campaigns.  ie. INTERNET STRONG,  
> Colloborative Security etc
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> 8 Sufficient  insurance to protect directors
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> 9 Annual General Meeting
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> 10 Once a year large educational event
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> My two cents
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> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Alfredo Calderon 
> <calderon.alfredo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear all:
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> Great points made by all. As a Board member of the ISOC-PR I have to 
> agree.  We are a non-profit organization that meets state laws that 
> "implies paying resources to keep the structure properly organized and 
> up to date based on the local regulations (paymet for accountant fees, 
> etc)".  We have submitted proposals and been awarded funds to develop 
> activities. However, it would be great to have a regional staff 
> (southeastern U.S.) that could aid us on a daily basis to have more 
> time to outreach and engage more individuals in volunteering.
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> "We are doing more with less. What would happen if we had more 
> support?"
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> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli at gmail.com> 
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> Dear Carlos, dear all.
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> Carlos, in ISOC Argentina we face the same diffitulties so thanks for 
> bringing this up.
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> Regarding Raul and Joyce comment´s about what is available today from 
> ISOC to chapters, we thank you for that but it is not enough.
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> ISOC Argentina chapter is registered at the national level as a non 
> for profit association and this implies paying resources to keep the 
> structure properly organized and up to date based on the local 
> regulations (paymet for accountant fees, lawyer fees and a part time 
> secretary).
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> As Carlos correctly states in his email, the availability of the funds 
> is not very easy. And it is not enough for maintaining this structure.
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> The chapter wants to remain using this legal structure, as we consider 
> it relevant for transparency and accountability: funds are recieved in 
> a bank acoount of the Chapter (NOT in a personal board member account) 
> and leadership positions are renewed every two years by voting.
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> On the other hand, ISOC Chapters must face the problem of what seems 
> to be a total dissasociation of ISOC activities and ISOC Chapter 
> activities. Chapters are not informed about activities that ISOC is 
> doing at the national level, and this brings a higly confusing message 
> to the broad community.
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> ISOC chapter must be the first point of contact for all the activities 
> that ISOC is doing at the national level, ISOC must partner the local 
> chapter. In this way both will enhance their presence and will make 
> the message stronger and properly aligned.
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> Best regards
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> 2016-04-08 8:24 GMT-03:00 Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. 
> <crg at isoc-cr.org>:
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> Thank you very much Raúl!
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> “Clarity” would be the best help from our perspective. 2 years ago 
> it was our expectation that we could count with up to $2000/year. Last 
> year the expectation was raised to $3´500/year. But each of our 
> requests was returned with warnings that we have missed deadlines and 
> that we had´t read the small print, etc. etc. The amounts possible 
> keep increasing, but the conditions keep also evolving and we don´t 
> have a CFO that can keep track of all the new programs. We just need 
> some basic local administrative and membership support we can count on 
> before we go out and do bigger shows.
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> Best regards
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> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:45, Raul Echeberria wrote:
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> Dear all:
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> I am following this thread with a lot of attention and taking notes of 
> what is said.
> As Joyce has pointed out, we already spend good amount of resources on 
> what we think are ways to support our chapters, but not necessarily 
> are the things chapters need more.
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> I’m very interested in having this discussion to see if we can agree 
> of what we really need. Some things could be affordable, others not. 
> But we will know that only if we understand better what are the needs.
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> The new Chapter Advisory Council and its steering committee should be 
> catalyzers in that discussion.
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> Let’s take advantage of this new structure.
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> Best regards,
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> Raúl
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> El 7 abr. 2016, a las 9:16 p.m., John More 
> <morej1 at mac.com<mailto:morej1 at mac.com>> escribió:
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> Keith and others -
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> Great points.
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> Based on my lengthy experience with organizations that have local 
> chapters, I have long advocated that ISOC to be really effective 
> should create a structure where Chapters would have local paid staff 
> — both administrative and more importantly ISOC-trained local 
> organizers to do the higher level activities of supporting the Board 
> and volunteers in carrying out local/country Chapter activities, 
> recruiting new active volunteers, organizing events, raising local 
> funds, etc.  Few volunteers are just sitting around with nothing to 
> do, and so that have to work double-time or short-change their other 
> business or interests.
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> I note that Chapters need to be accountable funding from ISOC should 
> be linked with Chapters’ raising local funds — based upon what 
> might be reasonable for the local economy.  Otherwise the Chapter has 
> no ownership and is just receiving a gift.
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> We should recognize that it is not as if ISOC does not provide a wide 
> range of support for Chapters, including training, grants for events, 
> and funds for projects.
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> I have proposed this proven model of how to create and maintain 
> effective chapters to various Society leaders.  Still waiting for at 
> least a serious effort to see what this would look like and how it 
> might work. A good project fir the new Chapter Advisory Council.
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> John
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> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Keith Davidson 
> <keith at internetnz.net.nz<mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
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> Hello Sivasubramanian, all,
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> It certainly is an option to provide some funding to a chapter. But I 
> wonder if there might be greater value from resources provided by 
> ISOC. In the Asia Pacific area, for example, it could be possible to 
> add staff to the AP Regional Bureau, who's role is specifically to 
> support chapters in the region. So you could have multiple chapters 
> receiving secretarial and treasury support, website maintenance, 
> membership recruitment, further chapter development etc, and all could 
> have consistency in terms of overarching ISOC principles, strategy 
> etc.
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> I think the first step of freeing up the Chapter folks to concentrate 
> on what they want to achieve, rather than remaining bogged down in 
> administration, would be a great start.
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> Cheers
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> Keith
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> On 08-Apr-16 11:31 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Keith Davidson 
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>    It would be of extreme benefit to the chapters if ISOC could 
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>    administrative staff to undertake these functions.
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> Keith,
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> Would be good for Chapters to have administrative assistance, but
> Chapters might find it easier if it is in the form of a revolving 
> budget
> for chapters to engage local staff, or to cover the costs of a local
> office.
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