[Chapter-delegates] Application to form a chapter in Ireland

Wed Aug 19 07:12:46 PDT 2015

Lito,

from experience in other fora I think we need be a little less naive.
Unfortunately there are now perverse incentives to use the ISOC brand,
which in many ways is based on expertise, good faith and commitment, that
would lead to things such as double dips into diverse forms of support.

The reason new-chapter proposals are submitted to discussion among existing
chapters is to perform additional due diligence to what staff can do, in a
complementary fashion and based on a concept of web of trust. At the same
time this institutional design prevents against a possible undue resistance
by existing chapters to seeing their presence diluted or challenged by the
new. Altogether not a bad balance.

None of that is at odds with inclusion.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Rafael Lito Ibarra <lito at ibarra.sv> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I agree. The organization is made of individuals, and they usually do not
> represent the organization in which they work.
> Consistenly with ISOC vision, we should try to be very inclusive in the
> membership of our chapters.
> It is enough, I think, to *use* Internet, to be eligible to be part of an
> ISOC Chapter, even founding one. That means we should welcome and be happy
> to have different educational or professional backgrounds, as well as non
> graduate fellow in our chapters.
> Having said that, may be we come up with a way of listing the sectors and
> areas were the members-to-be do their daily activities. Something like the
> paragraph our friends from Ireland have included, may be a little more
> specific. Something like "we have medical doctors, lawyers, finance
> experts, social media professionals, students, engineers, faculty, and some
> Internet experts".
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> 2015-08-19 7:35 GMT-06:00 Tommi Karttaavi <karttaavi at isoc.org>:
>
>> Dear Alejandro, Judith, all,
>>
>> Thank you for this valuable feedback. I totally agree that diversity
>> among chapter members is important and that we need to demonstrate it
>> somehow. The only problem is that when people are listed with the
>> organisations they work for it may blur the fact that they are really
>> representing themselves as chapter members (unless they are from an
>> organisational member). We have to take into consideration that some people
>> (or organisations) might be uncomfortable with that. As I see it, the
>> problem is not disclosing affiliations, but the possible misconception that
>> people are representing those organisations in the chapter.
>>
>> So there is a bit of a dilemma here. In the case of the Ireland
>> application there was a short text describing the variety of backgrounds,
>> without going into details. Another solution might be to add a text
>> explaining that the organisations are listed only to demonstrate diversity.
>>
>> Feedback and suggestions are more than welcome.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tommi
>>
>> From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday 19 August 2015 01:58
>> To: Tommi Karttaavi <karttaavi at isoc.org>
>> Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a chapter in Ireland
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> while I agree with Judith that we would benefit from more information
>> about the backgrounds and diversity of the members in general, I see enough
>> in the Ireland chapter application to support it. There are technology
>> leaders like Stephen Farrell, whose work in the IETF is well known, and
>> Dennis Jennings, who did a very important job in the US NSF in the early
>> days of the Internet as well as in the ICANN Board, and now is a leader in
>> the start-up environment if I understand well; Michele Neylon, well known
>> in the domain-name space and other tech-related and enterprise activities;
>> and Brand Dainow, whose papers are significant contributions in issues such
>> as Ethics in Cyberspace. I'm sure there are many other worthy people in the
>> list but these I know personally (the first three) and through their work
>> (the fourth.)
>>
>> Also the business-related issues, such as cost-free membership, seem well
>> thought out so this is a ready-to-go organization.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Tommi Karttaavi <karttaavi at isoc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> The following application to start a Chapter in Ireland has been
>>> received.
>>> It is being sent to the chapter delegates community for peer comment and
>>> review.
>>>
>>> Please note that the Chapter is not yet formed and has not officially
>>> been
>>> recognised by the Internet Society.
>>>
>>> The period allowed for comments is two weeks from today and the deadline
>>> is August 31st, 2015.
>>>
>>> Please do not hesitate to contact me on or off list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tommi Karttaavi
>>> Manager, Chapter Development - Europe
>>> Internet Society
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org/>
>>> +358405104757
>>> Skype: tommi.karttaavi
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> Internet Society Ireland Chapter Application
>>>
>>>
>>> A. Proposed name of the Chapter
>>> The chapter name will be recorded as “The Internet Society - Ireland
>>> Chapter”
>>> Alternative short forms will be ISOC-Ireland and ISOC-IE,
>>> or when using the Irish language, ISOC-Eire.
>>>
>>> B. Community of Interest the Chapter will serve
>>> ISOC-Ireland will serve people with a verifiable interest in the Internet
>>> and the island of Ireland. Membership will be unlimited.
>>>
>>> C. Purpose and scope of Chapter
>>> ISOC-Ireland will engage in the following areas during its initial 12-24
>>> months. Additional areas of focus may be added over time by consensus
>>> among the Executive Council.:
>>>
>>> * Privacy - Standards and Awareness
>>>
>>> * Internet Governance - Awareness and Promoting Engagement in Ireland
>>>
>>> * New Technologies Advocacy(IPv6, DNSsec, etc.)
>>>
>>> * Cooperation, collaboration and mediation with private, public and civil
>>> Society sectors for the development of information and communication
>>> technologies
>>> (ICTs) in Ireland
>>>
>>> D. Outline of key priorities for the first year of Chapter
>>> In the first year ISOC-Ireland will hope to achieve the following:
>>>
>>> * Chapter formation and acceptance by ISOC
>>>
>>> * Grow membership beyond 30 members within the first 12 months
>>>
>>> * Establish a strong relationship with local industry and government
>>> within 12 months
>>>
>>> * Build a knowledge base within Ireland on policy matters via the
>>> formation of a policy committee within 6 months of chapter formation.
>>>
>>>
>>> E. Founding members of the Chapter
>>> Our founding members represent a broad section of Irish interests ranging
>>> from civil society and academia to cybersecurity and privacy
>>> professionals and Internet Hall of Fame inductees. Our membership is also
>>> geographically diverse representing all parts of Ireland.
>>>
>>> Founding Members:
>>>
>>> 1. James Gannon
>>>
>>> 2. Maebh Mullan
>>>
>>> 3. Stephen Farrell
>>>
>>> 4. Brandt Dainow
>>>
>>> 5. Dennis Jennings
>>>
>>> 6. Seamus O’Ciardhuain
>>>
>>> 7. Patrick Marshall
>>>
>>> 8. Michele Neylon
>>>
>>> 9. Elizabeth Folan O'Connor
>>>
>>> 10. Jason Barron
>>>
>>> 11. Richard Moynahan
>>>
>>> 12. Mícheál Ó Foghlú
>>>
>>> 13. Kevin Doolin , COO, TSSG
>>>
>>> 14. Maria Farrell
>>>
>>> 15. Mick Begley
>>>
>>> 16. Eileen Gallagher
>>>
>>> 17. Edward Morris
>>>
>>> 18. Alex French
>>>
>>> 19. Garrett Burke
>>>
>>> 20. Michael John O'Malley
>>>
>>> 21. Jerry Horgan
>>>
>>> 22. Nicholas Kiersey
>>>
>>> 23. Eoin Meehan
>>>
>>> 24. David Graham
>>>
>>> 25. Stephen Keaveny
>>>
>>> 26. Piotr Ginalski
>>>
>>> 27. Stephen Marron
>>>
>>> 28. Andrew Power
>>>
>>> 29. Niall Murphy
>>>
>>> 30. Niall O'Reilly
>>>
>>>
>>> F. List of supporters and partner organizations
>>> To be confirmed
>>>
>>> G. Membership
>>> ISOC-Ireland will operate a 6 month ‘Founding Member’ period whereby all
>>> new members joining the chapter within the initial 6 months post
>>> foundation will be inferred lifetime membership of the chapter without
>>> any
>>> fees or dues being required.
>>>
>>> ISOC-Ireland will endeavour to operate on a no-fee membership basis, this
>>> structure may be examined by the Executive Council at minimum once per
>>> year using input from the Treasurer on the current financial state of the
>>> chapter. In the event that a decision is taken to introduce membership
>>> fees provisions will be made for persons
>>> on reduced incomes to ensure that broad participation is maintained. This
>>> proviso will be included in the by-laws of ISOC-Ireland.
>>>
>>> ISOC-Ireland will attempt to engage a variety of sectors, industries and
>>> civil society to build a strong membership base. Given Ireland's status
>>> as a technology hub we would hope for a strong uptake in membership
>>> within
>>> 12 months.
>>>
>>> H. List of requirements
>>> ISOC-Ireland will initially operate as an unincorporated association
>>> under
>>> Irish Law. The requirements for an unincorporated association closely
>>> mirror those of ISOC’s own requirements insofar as mandating a
>>> constitution or bylaws and the appointment of a President, Treasurer and
>>> Secretary of the association.
>>>
>>> NOTE: Unincorporated associations attract unlimited liability in Ireland.
>>> As a result of this after a period of 12 months the executive council
>>> would be required to examine the possibility of incorporation as a
>>> non-profit within the Irish jurisdiction.
>>>
>>> I. Additional information
>>> Ireland is a growing technology nation. The number of giants of
>>> technology
>>> headquarters and locations in Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick and
>>> Waterford is growing and it is the opinion of the founders of
>>> ISOC-Ireland
>>> that it is time to have a chapter dedicated to the Irish region. It would
>>> be planned that the chapter will be publicly
>>> unveiled for open membership at ICANN 53 in Dublin in October 2015.
>>>
>>> J. Your contact information
>>> James Gannon
>>> Derry House
>>> The Meetings, Avoca
>>> Co Wicklow
>>> Ireland
>>>
>>> Tel: +353 (0)86-1753581
>>> Email: james at cyberinvasion.net
>>>
>>> I am the Director of Cyber Invasion Ltd a Security and Risk management
>>> consultancy based in Dublin, Ireland. I am a member of the Non-Commercial
>>> Users Constituency of ICANN and am active in a number of Internet
>>> Governance and Cybersecurity bodies. I am an ISOC member in good standing
>>> since October 24th 2014. I am current a member
>>> of the UK Chapter.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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