[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on the NETmundial Initiative

Wed Nov 19 08:38:15 PST 2014

Hi,

we should fret less about negative publicity and work more on strengthening
a principles-based position.

One concrete but ambitious task we should undertake is to review the
assumptions upon which the NMI move has been predicated:

1. that going to WEF is the way to attract the right kind of attention of
big business and government to Internet governance. Maybe, but we have seen
numerous reasons not to, so this may at least be a matter of "why" and
"how" and "at what cost in terms of consequences" before deciding
"whether." Clearly the balance is not favorable at present.

2. that NMI will sort out issues that have not been properly attended to.
ISOC, already over several years, has been mapping Internet governance
issues worldwide and did not find gaps large enough to merit the creation
of a huge superstructure that in turn may become a centralizer with major
negative impact. A task here is to do this mapping again, in a practical,
sensible but still deep analytical way, and an open mind. Some of this has
already been advanced, among other places in this discussion, and in the
five outcomes papers of the IGF in which ISOC had significant leadership.
They touch on items like children online protection, spam, multistakeholder
governance, and are at the very least good objects of analysis and
springboards going forward.

It is time to apply ISOC's unique combination of analytic powers,
subject-matter knowledge availability, global-local presence, and adherence
to principles, and worry a bit less about hurt feelings. Raul's note is
encouraging.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 Carlos.
>
> @Raul  It is not well understood that this is NOT our final position, and
> a bit of negative publicity has resulted and a few other actors have used
> this announcement to campaign against NETmundial.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <crg at isoc-cr.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Raúl,
>>
>> I just see a lot of value judgements in advance about an initiative by
>> one of the most bottom up organizations in the world: cgi.br
>> Some of its members have already stated they (cgi.br) will guarantee all
>> important values we all care for
>> Why does not ISOC just join as leading I* member and helps guarantee that
>> the best intentions of cgi.br will be protected and improved?
>> ISOC asked for our comments, and with all due respect, none of my
>> comments is reflected in the Board of trustees statement.
>>
>> Maybe is good we all put our own both up standards under review.
>>
>>
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> Chair ISOC Costa Rica
>> http://www.isoc-cr.org
>> _____________________
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>> email: carlosraulg at gmail.com
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>>
>>
>> > El 19/11/2014, a las 10:38, Raul Echeberria <echeberria at isoc.org>
>> escribió:
>> >
>> >
>> > Olivier:
>> >
>> > ISOC is not closing any door.
>> > What the statement says is that there had not been a bottom up open
>> discussion so far on this initiative and there are concerns with regard to
>> the consistency with our principles in that sense.
>> > But through this  statement the Board is also asking ISOC’s CEO to
>> conduct an open dialogue within our community. This is what should have
>> happened before.
>> >
>> > So, answering your question “Where do we go from here?”, my answer is
>> Open Discussion without anticipating any outcome of those discussions.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Raúl
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > El 18/11/2014, a las 16:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> escribió:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 17/11/2014 04:39, Greg Wood wrote:
>> >>> At the conclusion of its meeting in Honolulu, the Internet Society
>> Board of Trustees issued the following statement:
>> >>>
>> >>> We will follow up in the next week with more details on the community
>> dialogue.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Greg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initiative
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for this pointer, Greg. I note that there's been much discussion
>> >> on the ISOC web group platform as well but for the sake of convenience
>> >> will reply here. I am sorry to not have followed this more closely but
>> >> am engulfed in the NTIA functions Stewardship Transition discussions
>> >> hence which appear to be more of a priority at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> I am in two minds about the Statement. I do not disapprove it. However
>> I
>> >> do have concerns about "where do we go from here?" Like many people in
>> >> our multistakeholder space I felt uneasy about this initiative landing
>> >> in the WEF in a rather top down manner but could understand *some* of
>> >> the rationale behind it, which I felt related to the funding of the
>> >> initiative in particular. WEF has deep pockets.
>> >>
>> >> So where do we go from here and does ISOC's rejection of the initiative
>> >> indicate a deeper disagreement between the I* organisations? Has ISOC
>> >> clearly closed the door? More importantly where are we (as in all
>> >> defenders of the core principles which are listed in the ISOC Board
>> >> Statement) going to find the funding for our continued defence of these
>> >> principles?
>> >>
>> >> Kindest regards,
>> >>
>> >> Olivier
>> >> (own views)
>> >>
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