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   +1 Alejandro and Christian

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On 11/14/2014 5:33 PM, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:
> Am I alone in finding the new ISOC "Connected discussion"  is limiting use to
> broadcast announcements? I find them unsuited for discussions precisely because
> the context and position of any message within a thread is lost.
>
> Top posting is fine for me provided it quotes sufficiently to give context. It's
> the best way to provide a link or pointer or general observation. Joly's top
> posts pointing to resources are well judged I find.
>
> But for more detailed point by point discussions I prefer to go inline. Too many
> new email clients or "web" orientated comms tools are preventing inline
> discussions and force top posting. Wrong headed assumptions of device UI
> restraints is leading a number of IOS and Android developers to loose utility of
> their apps for more informative discussion purposes.
>
>
> Christian
>
> Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>> Alan,
>>
>> just to chime in. It's about two years now we have promises from ISOC staff
>> that some of this will be fixed.
>>
>> And mind you, this is not ISOC failing in Netiquette, it is ISOC failing in
>> Internet standards compliance (not Web standards - Internet standards.)
>>
>> I hope to see some progress soon.
>>
>> BTW I'm retaining your message for context. Otherwise I'd have to make a
>> longer explanation. I am not opposed to top-posting as long as one
>> occassionally does cut a long tail short.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za
>> <mailto:alan at isoc.org.za>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     On 13 Nov 2014, at 7:13 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com
>>     <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>> wrote:
>>     > I would think RFC1122 applies.
>>
>>     Joly, I'm not sure what this is referring to. Not meaning to single you
>>     out, I note that yours was a top post, we all do it.  That would be
>>     contrary to RFC 1855. I think 1122 refers to hosts although maybe you are
>>     referring to the RFC process in general. I can understand that there may
>>     be some elements of 1855 that have become outdated - although afaik there
>>     is no update - and afaik that means the RFC should still apply according
>>     the IETF/ISOC process.
>>
>>     > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Gihan Dias <gihan at uom.lk
>>     <mailto:gihan at uom.lk>> wrote:
>>     >> On 2014/11/12 ප.ව. 10:35, Alan Levin wrote:
>>     >>> I've discussed this with key ISOC global people who have decided that
>>     we don't need netiquette any longer.  I am not in agreement.
>>     >>
>>     >> I agree with Alan.
>>     >> ISoc should be the model when it comes to netiquette.
>>
>>     On 13 Nov 2014, at 4:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com
>>     <mailto:randy at psg.com>> wrote:
>>     > i have grown used to people not understanding traditional net etiquette.
>>     > i just figure that they're new here and calibrate accordingly.
>>
>>     I agree with Randy that new people calibrate accordingly, it took me a
>>     while to get it myself. Sorry if I did not explain my deflation. I would
>>     be happy if this was the agreed way forward.
>>
>>     This list (@elists.isoc.org <http://elists.isoc.org>) is becoming a legacy
>>     list that ISOC host, one where it is possible to apply RFC 1855.  I am,
>>     thankful that it is still supported although it appears that it may be
>>     phased out or just 'die'.
>>
>>     ISOC has invested in a new system "Connected Community" which disables
>>     anyone from possibly adhering to basic netiquette. It's completely blatant
>>     from the first line of every single message, the two major rules are
>>     disregarded. The headers are terrible and the entire message encourages
>>     abuse. To the dismay of but a few, the ISOC CEO has inadvertently
>>     explained that ISOC have invested and are now rolling out that platform.
>>     It's been used for the Chapters in parallel with this list since June, now
>>     also added to the African Chapters. This may just be my problem, I'm sorry
>>     but I find it counter productive to post by email in that (Connected
>>     Community) system, it just feels like I'm undermining the principles of ISOC.
>>
>>     Sincerely
>>
>>
>>
>>     Alan
>>     --
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> Facultad de Química UNAM
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