[Chapter-delegates] 2014 Internet Society Board of Trustees Elections

Fri Mar 28 09:17:31 PDT 2014

John,

since we have unblocked such energy in a discussion about the process let's
try to:

a. channel it now into the election process itself. Let's see the debates!

b. review the process at a slower, more deliberate pace. The NomComs'
(plural) recommendations of several years are before the Trustees and
provide a good start. Also indeed a good issue for the Chapter Advisory
Council. Let's keep this use case in mind as we progress in the Council's
design.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:28 AM, John More <morej1 at mac.com> wrote:

> Christian
>
> Better way to think of the process -- not so much "campaigning" (we have
> more than enough of that in the poetical world) as providing Chapters,
> members, those voting with information to enable an informed vote.  I
> particularly like the last art of your statement -- very appropriate for an
> organization where we all are working (hopefully) for the same vision for
> the Internet.
>
> John More
>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Culturally speaking when ISOC had members who voted it was a complete no
> > no to campaign at all. You stuck your pitch up to the candidate wall and
> > if during the open period you were asked some questions you answered
> > professionally and politely in a neutral non promotional way. Then when
> > the time came accepted defeat with grace, dignity and a glass raised to
> > the victor and another for one's own digital road ahead.
> > hic!
> >
> > C
> >
> > JOHN MORE wrote:
> >> Campaigning while voting is going on is regularly found in both
> political and corporate elections. The ability to change votes is regularly
> allowed in corporate elections. ISOC is in corporate form so combining the
> two does not seem out of place. The limit on how many changes of vote is
> permissible does seem a bit unusual but not out of bounds. The architects
> of the system presumably had some reason to support it
> >>
> >> Whether before or after voting starts, the important thing is to have
> an opportunity to obtain information about the candidates. Each should have
> at a minimum a statement of what they will bring to the position if
> elected. An open system of question and answer on an online forum perhaps
> could be supplanted by some videoing so that voters could see the
> candidates in person. Finally the length of time for gathering information
> should be adequate. It seems to be to me.
> >>
> >> From having watched the voting for many years as a Chapter leader I
> have not perceived any problems except perhaps from some unhappy losers.
> >>
> >> But then I don't have the background of Alejandro to see why he feels
> there has been a complete breakdown. Nor, to my knowledge, has the Chapter
> leadership more broadly been involved in discussing improvements or
> problems over the years.
> >>
> >> Example of an area a Chapter Advisory Council could assist with.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John More
> >> Washington DC Chapter
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <
> cdel at firsthand.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ISOC isn't holding an actual meeting but conducting the entire caboodle
> >>> online?  But it does cater for when a candidate steps down or if a
> >>> replacement is found during the run up to a vote being held.  But up to
> >>> ten changes? That is an impressive attrition buffer to bloat ;-)!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> C
> >>>
> >>> Vint Cerf wrote:
> >>>> interestingly, proxy voting in companies does allow vote change up to
> >>>> a date certain.
> >>>>
> >>>> v
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Christian de Larrinaga
> >>>> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   It isn't my vote it is the chapter's.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Actually my concern is that by allowing such an extensive
> >>>>   opportunity to
> >>>>   change votes it opens up a prospect for a dutch auction..  my last
> >>>>   vote
> >>>>   is now for "x" unless  Mssrs "y", "z" or "a" come up with a better
> >>>>   offer.  Not suggesting that offer may be "bitcoins" but ....
> >>>>
> >>>>   Maybe I'm being unfair. That is why I asked why it is a good idea.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Also the practicalities of seeking views and involving the whole
> >>>>   chapter
> >>>>   in such an extensive iterative ongoing activity doesn't seem
> practical
> >>>>   to me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   C
> >>>>
> >>>>   Narelle wrote:
> >>>>> My understanding of the rationale of the online system is that the
> >>>>> voting delegate can change his/her vote up to the cut off time
> >>>>   to give
> >>>>> us a flexible system, allow for additional comment and discussion to
> >>>>> influence your vote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've never seen this as a forum for "campaigns" per se, though some
> >>>>> have been known to do it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no idea why the limit on changes is 10 - I would assume that
> >>>>> was an arbitrary (and imho reasonable) design choice that could be
> >>>>> changed if people really see a need for it.  Presumably
> >>>>   Christian has
> >>>>> hit the limit!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Christian de Larrinaga
> >>>>> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Why is this a good idea?
> >>>>>> C
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carlos Vera Quintana wrote:
> >>>>>>> You can change your vote 10 times only :)
> >>>>> Narelle
> >>>>> admittedly a Board member, though speaking as an individual
> >>>>   chapter delegate
> >>>>> President
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