[Chapter-delegates] 2014 Internet Society Board of Trustees Elections

[John More]

Christian

Better way to think of the process — not so much “campaigning” (we have more than enough of that in the poetical world) as providing Chapters, members, those voting with information to enable an informed vote.  I particularly like the last art of your statement — very appropriate for an organization where we all are working (hopefully) for the same vision for the Internet.

John More

On Mar 28, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> wrote:

> Culturally speaking when ISOC had members who voted it was a complete no
> no to campaign at all. You stuck your pitch up to the candidate wall and
> if during the open period you were asked some questions you answered
> professionally and politely in a neutral non promotional way. Then when
> the time came accepted defeat with grace, dignity and a glass raised to
> the victor and another for one's own digital road ahead.
> hic!
> 
> C
> 
> JOHN MORE wrote:
>> Campaigning while voting is going on is regularly found in both political and corporate elections. The ability to change votes is regularly allowed in corporate elections. ISOC is in corporate form so combining the two does not seem out of place. The limit on how many changes of vote is permissible does seem a bit unusual but not out of bounds. The architects of the system presumably had some reason to support it 
>> 
>> Whether before or after voting starts, the important thing is to have an opportunity to obtain information about the candidates. Each should have at a minimum a statement of what they will bring to the position if elected. An open system of question and answer on an online forum perhaps could be supplanted by some videoing so that voters could see the candidates in person. Finally the length of time for gathering information should be adequate. It seems to be to me. 
>> 
>> From having watched the voting for many years as a Chapter leader I have not perceived any problems except perhaps from some unhappy losers. 
>> 
>> But then I don't have the background of Alejandro to see why he feels there has been a complete breakdown. Nor, to my knowledge, has the Chapter leadership more broadly been involved in discussing improvements or problems over the years. 
>> 
>> Example of an area a Chapter Advisory Council could assist with. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> John More
>> Washington DC Chapter
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ISOC isn't holding an actual meeting but conducting the entire caboodle
>>> online?  But it does cater for when a candidate steps down or if a
>>> replacement is found during the run up to a vote being held.  But up to
>>> ten changes? That is an impressive attrition buffer to bloat ;-)!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C
>>> 
>>> Vint Cerf wrote:
>>>> interestingly, proxy voting in companies does allow vote change up to
>>>> a date certain.
>>>> 
>>>> v
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Christian de Larrinaga
>>>> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   It isn't my vote it is the chapter's.
>>>> 
>>>>   Actually my concern is that by allowing such an extensive
>>>>   opportunity to
>>>>   change votes it opens up a prospect for a dutch auction..  my last
>>>>   vote
>>>>   is now for "x" unless  Mssrs "y", "z" or "a" come up with a better
>>>>   offer.  Not suggesting that offer may be "bitcoins" but ....
>>>> 
>>>>   Maybe I'm being unfair. That is why I asked why it is a good idea.
>>>> 
>>>>   Also the practicalities of seeking views and involving the whole
>>>>   chapter
>>>>   in such an extensive iterative ongoing activity doesn't seem practical
>>>>   to me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   C
>>>> 
>>>>   Narelle wrote:
>>>>> My understanding of the rationale of the online system is that the
>>>>> voting delegate can change his/her vote up to the cut off time
>>>>   to give
>>>>> us a flexible system, allow for additional comment and discussion to
>>>>> influence your vote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've never seen this as a forum for "campaigns" per se, though some
>>>>> have been known to do it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea why the limit on changes is 10 - I would assume that
>>>>> was an arbitrary (and imho reasonable) design choice that could be
>>>>> changed if people really see a need for it.  Presumably
>>>>   Christian has
>>>>> hit the limit!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Christian de Larrinaga
>>>>> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> Why is this a good idea?
>>>>>> C
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carlos Vera Quintana wrote:
>>>>>>> You can change your vote 10 times only :)
>>>>> Narelle
>>>>> admittedly a Board member, though speaking as an individual
>>>>   chapter delegate
>>>>> President
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