[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Appointments to theNTIA/IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group

[Holly Raiche]

I have to agree with Evan here.

The argument is NOT curious.  The argument is one that is legitimate and indeed recognised in many global jurisdictions as privacy - individual rights to it.  People do NOT need a reason to protect their privacy; the shoe is - or should be - on the other foot: anyone wanting an individual’s details should have a legitimate and recognised need to them.

And the Whois debate is so difficult because it tries to balance two legitimate needs: on the one hand, an individual’s legitimate right to keep their personal details private and on the other, the legitimate rights of LEAs and others to be able to find out who is behind a domain name for a variety of reasons behind law enforcement (e.g., IP lawyers, fair trading regulators etc)

So please, an informed and respectful debate

Holly


On 8 Jul 2014, at 1:40 am, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:

> On 7 July 2014 09:45, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> wrote:
> This is a curious argument. I've seen it on AT Large lists as if it actually means something useful.
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> No need to insult points of view with which you disagree.
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> As a registrant I have exactly the same interest in keeping my whois registration record in working order because I want to know if there is a problem and have a public point of contact for people to reach me.
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> And a great many other registrants, myself included, share that view. However the sentiment is not universal, which is where the differences arise.
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> There is, for instance, a significant component of the Non-Commercial Users Constituency within ICANN's GNSO that believes that a registrant has the right to keep their contact data private and hidden from you. They do not share your interest in having accessible, working contact information.
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> As a user I want to be able to reach the domain administrator so I can report problems and cross reference registration data.
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> On that we absolutely agree.
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> But what if that other domain administrators do not want to be reached? What if they don't care about the kind of problems you would report? What if they are deliberately trying to avoid you?
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> The fact remains that there is a significant component of the world of registrants that cares more about their privacy than your ability to contact them. There are other registrants who want to typo-squat or use fraudulent domain names so they can pretend they're the Red Cross and solicit funds from you. It is highly unlikely that these I suggest that the interests of those registrants absolutely do not coincide with yours as a user.
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> It also does not appear that you are domainer, who buys and sells domains primarily as commodity for a significant source of income, The subset of registrants who share that characteristic have different interests in ICANN than you or I, for reasons that have nothing to do with accurate contact information,
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> In ICANN At-Large we have identified quite a few issues -- some of them significant -- where the interests of end users and registrants are not aligned. These differences are indeed relevant to some, and indicate that registrants cannot be thought to be surrogates for end users in matters related to ICANN accountability.
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> - Evan

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