[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: Follow-up: Serious considerations to dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter

info at isoc.org.ec info at isoc.org.ec
Sun Sep 29 20:50:57 PDT 2013 

We have some things for this discussion:

1. ISOC global is not ISOC HQ as a small group of staff and board members. It's global because chapters are all around the world. WE ALL ARE ISOC GLOBAL.

2. Several now chapters, exist as organizations before being an ISOC chapter. Later we become a chapter and continue the growing of Internet society .

3. We are a whole, and this digital system works because we have independence: think global for principles, and for the work of ISOC HQ, and think and act local as ISOC Global.

4. I totally disagree with such statement: who puts the money put the way to use it. It seems as ISOC HQ is a company that makes money by themselves. Isoc HQ makes no money without being global. Main source of incomes comes from .org operation so there is enough money to put in a more dynamic chapter's action all around the world, again with main principles in mind but without restrictions or impositions to chapters. WE, CHAPTERS ARE NOT, a subsidiary or similar. Chapters that feel that way are lost in space. 

We are a modular organization, every part works with their own dynamic but we work also as a whole. 

Principles are our guide: Internet is for everybody for example is a principle. 

No matter what, some bureaucracy still can think they "own" ISOC and that they work for a large corporation where every chapter is only a small part of the whole named ISOC HQ. 

We all are ISOC Global and we represent internet users. I'm pretty sure that when ISOC HQ introduce itself it makes use of their global presence as a main strength and to have global presence we need chapters. Some staff people sometimes try to Influence the way ISOC chapters works and try to put on it some people that think the way large corporation does, with subsidiaries: do not think, just do the way we tell you.

The smart way is to understand that we are a global organization because we have chapters globally.

I feel several times this kind of pressure from certain staff people but after more than 15 years of work in this scenarios we see some staff pass and we still continue walking. 

At ISOC Ecuador chapter, we feel very  comfortable with supportive staff and by now, we know very well who is who at this great team.

Carlos Vera
Internet Society Ecuador
www.isoc.org.ec
Síguenos @isocec

> El 29/09/2013, a las 16:34, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com> escribió:
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Ed,
> let me express my partially  support for your statement, only few
> questions:
> 
> Is there any formal declaration, that  ISOC HQ granted to   Eduard
> Dias  rights to declare ISOC HQ   position?
> 
> If you have any extra sources, that it is ISOC official position,
> please indicate.
> 
> May be it is  the consolidated position of ISOC HQ and ISOC Chapters?
> Or it is not necessary to coordinate this position with Chapters?
> 
> 
> With Respect
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29.09.2013 19:05, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>> Elever:
>> 
>> ISOC HQ has provided financial assistance through grands, 
>> activities and other means but never direct financial support to 
>> run and maintain the chapter. We were very clear about that since 
>> our inception. We look for monies through local activities and 
>> sponsorships. Our membership does not pay dues.
>> 
>> -ed
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Elver Loho <elver.loho at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:elver.loho at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Estonian Chapter has adopted all the ISOC bylaws guidelines, 
>> actually. We started our organization independently of ISOC back
>> in 2010, but we got rechartered early 2013 as an ISOC Chapter, so
>> we basically rewrote our bylaws to meet the guidelines. Including
>> all the bits and pieces that Veni pointed out.
>> 
>> Anyway. I remember from a much earlier email that at some point 
>> ISOC HQ was actually supporting the local Chapters financially.
>> Can some old-timer remind us all when, why, and how all that
>> changed?
>> 
>> Best, Elver .ee
>> 
>> elver.loho at gmail.com <mailto:elver.loho at gmail.com> +372 5661 6933 
>> <tel:%2B372%205661%206933> skype: elver.loho
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 September 2013 23:46, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com 
>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> wrote:
>>> I don't know anyone who would have it (except from Cambodia, and
>> they should
>>> feel free to change their by-laws to reflect the national 
>>> laws!).
>> And I
>>> don't know why it's a mandatory text, and it's still on the ISOC
>> web site.
>>> 
>>> This is another example of how resources are being wasted. Just
>> think about
>>> the many hours spent on preparing these recommendations, the 
>>> number of people involved, and the efforts used.
>>> 
>>> v.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 09/28/13 15:56, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We never had such language in our by-laws.
>>>> 
>>>> -ed President ISOC-PR
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- *NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is
>> confidential and/or
>>>> subject to legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the 
>>>> named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, 
>>>> you must
>> not use,
>>>> disclose or copy any part of this email. If you have received
>> this email by
>>>> mistake, please notify the sender and delete this message 
>>>> immediatel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________ As an Internet 
>>>> Society Chapter Officer you are automatically
>> subscribed
>>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the 
>>>> Internet
>> Society
>>>> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Best, Veni Markovski http://www.veni.com 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski https://twitter.com/veni
>>> 
>>> The opinions expressed above are those of the author, not of any 
>>> organizations, associated with or related to him in any given 
>>> way.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ As an Internet 
>>> Society Chapter Officer you are automatically
>> subscribed
>>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet
>> Society
>>> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- *NOTICE:* This email may contain information which is 
>> confidential and/or subject to legal privilege, and is intended
>> for the use of the named addressee only. If you are not the
>> intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any part of
>> this email. If you have received this email by mistake, please
>> notify the sender and delete this message immediately.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ As an Internet 
>> Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed to this 
>> list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society 
>> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
> 
> 
> - -- 
> Grigori Saghyan
> PGP Key ID: 0x48E4D5DC
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (MingW32)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
> 
> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSSJz2AAoJEBp2GIFI5NXcmJ4H/iIftkDJ0rUQCF7aUVPyiV0A
> CJwzPF+VmORAGnC1XBpEd1hz68rTRiCAwyWls3q6+Lh5TO3gHNzcnnvjWy20NfGl
> +XK2p03ikJldHfdpgksh0+XfLz4NR7peLaTArV4Ez00a/+4YpcxHfAGigcPqXBaR
> z8iaZGGqKOvlNxqw/Ke8bdJB1/8F7JotcRpEL0CUsPkLJ8tIY2qaq2AchIAyBT8k
> LFdoXQqI+b1zhwsKYXIF3RCseaIenLMaf8sAJCCb+h0ybqJuCkhReMy4QWeC/wod
> b20p+6qlDO5dpsHS2/S0I3dgi+rGVqNB2tUtKhp6JCbJK0K6JrU+E4J3jO0MyBs=
> =9sRt
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> _______________________________________________
> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
> Chapter Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
>

More information about the Chapter-delegates mailing list