[Chapter-delegates] Application to form an InterPlanetary Networking Chapter

Sun Sep 1 12:55:57 PDT 2013

Thanks Michael,

A few emails ago, I was suggesting some clarification (following Mark's 
email). It's now cristal clear for me!

I will ask my Board to support the Chapter!

Louis Houle
Président
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org

Le 2013-08-21 13:19, Michael Snell a écrit :
>
> Hi Mark. Hope things are well with you.
>
> Let me try to address your concern (and Peter Koch's concern).
>
> From ISOC's website: "An Internet Society Chapter brings together 
> individual members of the Internet Society who share an interest and 
> belief in the Internet Society's principles and mission and who are 
> committed to furthering the Internet Society's goals and objectives 
> within your geographic or special interest area."  The words "or 
> special interest area" certainly seem to say that geography isn't the 
> only thing that can define an ISOC chapter---as your chapter certainly 
> demonstrates.
>
> Our interest area is global in scope, not aligned with any particular 
> geographic region. Indeed, it would not be wise to associate IPNSIG 
> with any geographical region because that would inherently discourage 
> membership from outside the region. To paraphrase Paul Brooks "If 
> we're going to be a SIG or project associated with a Chapter-- what 
> chapter would you propose?" While relatively close to the Jet 
> Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena (about 6-7 hours driving time), 
> that's only one of the geographical centers of research and interest 
> in interplanetary networking. There are others centered on the East 
> Coast, in Sweden, in Ireland, in Greece, in Australia and other 
> locations around the globe. Restricting it to a project or SIG 
> associated with the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter (as it currently 
> is) makes it problematic to host events that do not limit 
> participation to the Northern California region. We are planning a 
> major IPN event at Google HQ in Mountain View next January---but we 
> are also planning one in the Washington, D.C. area late next year, and 
> have just started discussions with the N4C community in Europe about 
> hosting an event there in 2015. We are doing this precisely because we 
> recognize that our target audience and our membership is global.
>
> Beyond that, technical concerns are often not just technical. There is 
> an important societal concern element here that is core to ISOC 
> values: the openness and transparency of the technical standards that 
> drive the Internet. It is not an issue today. There really is no 
> Internet in outer space-- yet. But we believe there should be, and 
> that the same openness, transparency and trust issues will exist. It 
> is not in the interest of the people of the earth to have space data 
> communications remain the prerogative of competing nation states. 
> Commercialization of space will not supplant sovereign state 
> "ownership" of space exploration and eventual use of space resources 
> without it.
>
> Work done by IPNSIG members over the past years has planted the seeds 
> of this movement towards transparency and openness. Standards have 
> been developed, not in secret government labs-- but under the auspices 
> of IRTF. NASA has publicly released the core IPN software as open 
> source code. The first chairman of IPNSIG (Adrian Hooke from the Jet 
> Propulsion Laboratory) founded the Consultative Committee for Space 
> Data systems, whose membership includes space agencies from almost 
> every space-faring nation on the planet. That organization is in the 
> process of adopting the Delay & Disruption Tolerant Networking (DTN) 
> suite of protocols, which will foster cooperation and collaboration by 
> the world's space agencies, and pave the way for a trusted, 
> trustworthy space infrastructure that will allow for the peaceful 
> exploration and potential use of off-planet resources.
>
> Furthermore, the application of these DTN technologies towards solving 
> terrestrial problems is gaining momentum. The N4C community in the 
> European Union has applied them towards monitoring wildlife in remote 
> regions, and there have been several proposals to use DTN to provide 
> inexpensive, secure network services to remote areas.
>
> We believe that the interest and impact of IPN is global, and that, 
> therefore, a global ISOC chapter is the best solution to both allow 
> interested parties access to the chapter, and to allow for global 
> collaboration with regional chapters to further the development and 
> deployment of DTN technologies. It deserves and needs a chapter's 
> resources dedicated to it, rather than continuing as a project of SF 
> Bay ISOC.
>
> Mike Snell
>
> President, San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
>
> Secretary/Treasurer, IPNSIG
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Urban, Mark (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO) 
> <fka2 at cdc.gov <mailto:fka2 at cdc.gov>> wrote:
>
>     The Disability and Special Needs Chapter shares the same concerns
>     as ISOC.DE <http://ISOC.DE>. As the only Global Chapter, we can
>     recognize the occasional need for a unique Chapter environs.
>      However, in our case, the reasoning for the chapter was based
>     upon unique societal needs, rather than a technical interest.  A
>     nonvoting SIG (Special Interest Group) might be the more
>     appropriate venue for consideration of these problems.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Mark D. Urban
>     Vice Chair, ISOC DSN Chapter.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>     [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] On Behalf Of
>     Peter Koch
>     Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:22 AM
>     To: ISOC Chapter Delegates
>     Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form an
>     InterPlanetary Networking Chapter
>
>     On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 07:27:10AM +0000, Sabrina Wilmot wrote:
>
>     > The following application for an InterPlanetary Networking
>     Chapter has been received. It is being sent to this list for peer
>     comment and review.
>
>     > FYI: The group had started their work in a Special Interest
>     Group ("IPNSIG") and is currently formally a project of the San
>     Francisco Bay Area Chapter. The applicants state:
>
>     ISOC.DE <http://ISOC.DE> applauds the initiative with the greatest
>     respect towards the well renowned proponents.  That said, we would
>     like to ask for a clarification regarding chapter eligibility.
>     While there is at least one prominent example of a non-geographic
>     chapter, the initiative appears to be more of a project nature
>     than a cross region ISOC member organisation.  No doubt it
>     deserves support from ISOC, but we remain unconvinced that a
>     chapter is the best choice, strategically.
>
>     -Peter Koch, ISOC.DE <http://ISOC.DE>, Member of the Board
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