[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Meetings @ ICANN Buenos Aires

Fri Oct 25 21:27:44 PDT 2013

Ted,

too bad that changing the meeting scheme for Buenos Aires doesn't seem possible now. Let's continue to work on the scheme for further meetings.

As always let's have form follow function.

I think that for the rest of this year, at least, there is one overarching issue which is understanding ICANN's strategy with actions like the Brazil meeting; understanding ISOC's HQ stance (this question goes back into the past, to before the Montevideo Statement); to have chapters and members heard about these issues; and last, a no-surprises agreement.

This no-surprises agreement was first intended to occur mostly among chapters when we started these meetings. Now after Montevideo and the plans for the Brazil Internet Governance Summit we need a clear outline of where ISOC HQ is intending to go, and whatever exchanges that starts.

I hope you, Markus and Lynn, and whoever is involved, can work out an imaginative scheme that allows the meeting to be very efficient in the initial setup and go straight to the matter. You may need to bottomupize the planning as well.

Yours,

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Enviado el: viernes, 25 de octubre de 2013 12:50
Hasta: Ali Almeshal; Holly Raiche; ISOC Chapter Delegates
CC: amanoff at vmf.com.ar
Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Meetings @ ICANN Buenos Aires

Thanks all for your input.

The ISOC @ ICANN meeting is currently scheduled to run from 7PM to 9 PM so I don't believe there is a conflict with the ALAC activities.  Also, due to our very close calendar proximity to the event (less than 30 days)  it is extremely difficult make changes of dates, venues and substance, including trying to find a new venue in an already very packed conference,  inconveniencing or losing those who have planned around the current schedule, communicating it to all potential participants, and other logistical re-engineering that may or may not go smoothly.

I would like to re-iterate here my understanding of the purpose of the meeting:

  1.  To provide information and dialog for interested ISOC members of all types on current issues within the relationship between ISOC and ICANN
  2.  To facilitate a forum of discussion for the issues top of mind as determined by the attending members themselves.

This has changed since the beginning of 2012 at the request of members and chapter leaders to assure a more meaningful and focused meeting.  Further, the meeting belongs to all ISOC members, not just to chapters.   If chapters would like a separate meeting for themselves and invite whom they wish,  there is the opportunity to work with staff and re-insert such a meeting at future ICANN conferences.  I fully understand the positions expressed here for those attending ICANN 48 in Buenos Aires and the issues and timing constraints they too are under.  At this point we may consider ad hoc, on-site opportunities as parties come to agreement, but a whole-sale addition of another meeting in BA  at this time is logistically not feasible.  My apologies.

I look forward to additional conversations on this issue and to finding the best accommodation for the majority of participants.

Best regards,

Ted
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From: Ali Almeshal <ali.almeshal at bis.org.bh<mailto:ali.almeshal at bis.org.bh>>
Date: Friday, October 25, 2013 4:00 AM
To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>, ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org<mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>
Cc: "amanoff at vmf.com.ar<mailto:amanoff at vmf.com.ar>" <amanoff at vmf.com.ar<mailto:amanoff at vmf.com.ar>>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Meetings @ ICANN Buenos Aires

I do agree with Holly.
Ali

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On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>> wrote:

I have to second what Evan says.  Sunday is THE big day for ALAC meetings, so anything before 6.30 simply won't work.  And yes, we would welcome others who want to hear the debates within the al-large - user - community

Holly
On 25/10/2013, at 2:37 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

Having sessions Sunday before 5:30 conflicts with actual scheduled ICANN meetings, specifically the all-day At-Large session in which many ISOC representatives must participate (including myself, Holly and Eduardo). So that is a non-starter.

(In fact, given that At-Large Advisory Committee is the ICANN voice for Internet end-users -- it's in the bylaws, XI.4a<https://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#XI> -- I would recommend that ISOC members who are not obliged to attend the Sunday ALAC session might be well served by attending anyway.)

I agree with Héctor about having specific speakers rather than doing the introductions around the room. As Holly said, I was thinking that, in addition to the formal Sunday meeting, there could be some kind of less formal, social gathering on the Tuesday before music night.

I wasn't suggesting going back to the old style of two formal meetings ... just trying to be a little creative and propose that a second event should be maintained, but changed to something lighter.

On 24 October 2013 09:22, Ariel Manoff <<mailto:amanoff at vmf.com.ar>amanoff at vmf.com.ar<mailto:amanoff at vmf.com.ar>> wrote:
I believe that we could concentrate the night activity on Tuesday and doing the working session earlier in Sunday (4 pm to 5.30 pm?). I believe that long sessions are not good and after a while we do not have their full attention any more. May be we could prepare a list of speakers instead of having an individual speech for each country. Hector

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Enviado el: miércoles, 23 de octubre de 2013 18:12
Para: Glenn McKnight
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Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Meetings @ ICANN Buenos Aires

Hi Glen

I don't think that is what Evan was saying.  He was saying that Sunday night should be for policy discussions and hearing from chapters and Tuesday - before Music Night starts - should be the social components.
Holly
On 24/10/2013, at 5:34 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote:

hi
I agree two meetings has merit and the first meeting can focus on social networking and the Isoc hq updates while the second one can be issues and concerns for the chapters

I think the efforts of staff was well intended but as Evan stated he didnt have a take away

glenn

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hello all,

I realize that IGF Bali is still on, but I would like to raise an issue that has been bothering me, in regards to the ISOC meetings at ICANN events. I am hoping that by raising this issue now we may be able to influence what happens at the ISOC meeting in Argentina next month.

Here are my own views:

I think it was a very bad idea to go from two meetings (Sunday and Tuesday) just to one. I am aware that not everyone can make the Tuesday meeting, so I am suggesting that the Sunday meeting be a formal and policy-based event, while a Tuesday event should be more for socializing and enabling Chapter delegates to learn from each other on local issues such as governance, communications and outreach.

(Yes, I know that Tuesday is ICANN music night. But that usually starts at 21:00 and runs very late, ISOC meetings really would not conflict.)

Splitting the two functions enables the main Sunday meeting to be wholly informed by ISOC policy staff of critical issues, the policy work that is being done, and to engage chapters on local initiatives and ideas that could be useful globally.

Anyway, that is my opinion, to go back to two meetings. The last one in Durban was near useless for me in terms of EITHER informing me about ISOC programs/priorities OR sharing knowledge with and meeting other chapters.

Thanks.

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